6 Seat Options

[Boilermonkey]

Ok, I'm spoiled after flying a Mooney, but aside from leaving the new kid with the grandparents, we'll need a 6 seater. My main concern with other brands of aircraft is corrosion. So, what 6 seater with FIKI, low corrosion, and under $350k (I'll need 1 partner) would you go with?

 

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[N201MKTurbo]

A36 or Malibu.

For that money there are a lot of twins available that meet your specs, if you can afford the fuel and maintenance. 

[Boilermonkey]

What year (if at all) did Piper, Beechcraft, and Cessna start anti corrosion treatment as standard from the factory?

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[KLRDMD]

2 hours ago, Boilermonkey said:

Ok, I'm spoiled after flying a Mooney, but aside from leaving the new kid with the grandparents, we'll need a 6 seater. My main concern with other brands of aircraft is corrosion. So, what 6 seater with FIKI, low corrosion, and under $350k (I'll need 1 partner) would you go with?

As a general rule, six seat singles won't seat six (or even five) people and much fuel. How much useful load and what payload do you need ? You may be looking at a twin.

[RobertGary1]

If you plan on carrying those 6 after they are heavier than toddlers you’re into twins. I love the Aztec other than the worst designed door access of any plane. But I can pull it back to 20 gal/hr and cruise. 

-Robert

[RobertGary1]

2 hours ago, bluehighwayflyer said:

FIKI C-210s are also an option, I believe. 

The useful load of the 210 isn’t that great. The kids have to be tiny and they don’t stay that way. 

-Robert

[Jerry 5TJ]

My 1979 turbo C210N would carry full fuel of 90 gallons and 1,000 pounds in the cabin.  The last two seats are small, though. 

[Jerry 5TJ]

 

A piston PA46, especially the PA46-310 version, will carry six and useful if not full fuel.  Around 1400 pounds total UL. 

[FoxMike]

I owned a 78 T210 that was booted but not FIKI.  Never had a problem with ice.  On occasion had 5 adults on board with 90 gals.  Good airplane but shopping for a good one is a long an arduous process.  Good luck!

[Seth]

Pressurization is a nice to have as well.  At that price point you can get a pressurized twin, but again, maintance and feeding it may be not what you want.

The PA-46 is a nice option.  The A-36 is too if you don't need pressurization.  

I know Alan Fox has a pressurized P210 for sale.

If looking at twins, lots of options.  A Baron B55 is a great deal, but any twin can get you with double engine overhauls as the big items.

Pressurization is also pricy to maintain.  A C340, C414, and Aerostar should be looked at.  You can pick up an Aerostar for amazing deals these days, they are fast, but like all twins, a lot more than your Mooney to maintain!

For $350k with a partner, you could even get into a C-90 king air with -21's.  Not crazy fast, but robust, pressurized, and an AMAZING Cabin for a growing family of 5.  It's the overall maintenance costs, storage, insurance, phase inspections, gear, etc . . . as a non-working part 91 aircraft though, it's a nice package.  You also have your training.  Fuel wise, with the right fuel cards and programs, your fuel cost per gallon will be half the 100LL cost per gallon.  Don't get me wrong, it's still a massive jump up in cabaibily and cost.  You can probably sell it for what you buy it for a few years down the line.  They have bottomed out on the depreciation curve - you are basically purchasing the engines with the time they have left.  Just saying it's actually a realistic option if looking at $350k.

-Seth

Edited September 4, 2018 by Seth

[Andy95W]

Piper Aztec with de-ice boots.  About $100k for a VERY nice one, comparable speeds to a 201, if you want more speed get a Turbo.  All Pipers of that vintage came from the factory practically dipped in zinc chromate.

If you want a back door, get a B58 Baron with boots.

[cliffy]

"Legal" FIKI might not happen but boots and hot props go a long way in winter. Aztec at the bottom end, Navajo at the other end. For that money you can find a good example of both.

I have 2500 hrs in several series of Navajos. Even the lowly 310 hp ones would do a fantastic job for what you want but then again its the training, insurance  and maintenance. 

A36 "might " work for you as the years go on. With the FIKI requirement you desire (heavy IFR) I'd only start to look at twins. Have 17,000 hrs in them. With proper training and adherence to the limitations of the platform they are just as safe, if not more so, in weather and night than a single. 

Andy95W has some good comments here. 

[carusoam]

Let’s see what wingswap has...

https://www.wingswap.com/search

A couple of people have gone PA46T after their long Body Mooney experience...

One guy went twin Commander...

Some ideas that come to mind...

-a-

 

[kmyfm20s]

There is a really great looking A35 TN with tip tanks that was just posted for sale on Beetchtalk tonight you should look at. I just had recently had another child so I’m been kinda looking at options myself. I need to go sit in the Beech planes again because in the past I remember just not fitting well. I think my first choice is an Aerostar, a second if I fit would be a B55 and a plane to hold me over would a 210 or A36. 

[FlyboyKC]

The Cherokee Six is a solid seat seat aircraft, its like the minivan of airplanes. I had one before the Mooney, 1650 lbs of useful load and was it roomy.

 

NK

 

[KLRDMD]

21 hours ago, kmyfm20s said:

There is a really great looking A35 TN with tip tanks that was just posted for sale on Beetchtalk tonight you should look at. I just had recently had another child so I’m been kinda looking at options myself. I need to go sit in the Beech planes again because in the past I remember just not fitting well. I think my first choice is an Aerostar, a second if I fit would be a B55 and a plane to hold me over would a 210 or A36. 

Come out to Tucson and you can fly a B55.

[LANCECASPER]

On 9/3/2018 at 11:56 AM, Boilermonkey said:

 

Ok, I'm spoiled after flying a Mooney, but aside from leaving the new kid with the grandparents, we'll need a 6 seater. My main concern with other brands of aircraft is corrosion. So, what 6 seater with FIKI, low corrosion, and under $350k (I'll need 1 partner) would you go with?

 

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Everything goes up exponentially. Just one example: insurance.

Let's say the hull value on your Mooney C is $60,000. Just the value of that vs. a $350,000 airplane will make your insurance 5 times as much. But it definitely doesn't stop there. More seats also runs the liability up. If it's, as an example, a Piper PA46, no insurance company will touch you unless you do the initial training ($5000) and yearly recurrent training ($3500). If you don't have many hours in a high performance pressurized airplane, even after all of that training, your first year's insurance may surprise you. ($8,000 - $10,000?). 

To properly maintain that airplane, your annual maintenance will be at least 3 times what the Mooney C is, maybe a lot more depending on how it was maintained.

[Boilermonkey]

Thanks for the comments, everyone.  Now begins a long search for a partner with a similar mission and then an airplane.  In the meantime, I love our M20C.

[Seth]

See if there are any aircraft at your current airport that fit your mission need.  Approach the owner and talk about a dry lease or partnership.  That could work out.  Maybe dry lease for when you need 6 seats and keep the Mooney for all other flights.  

Also, the dry lease may assist you in the first year or two to see how much you use/need the 6 seats before you sell your Mooney (or decide to keep it).

-Seth

[Graham]

On 9/5/2018 at 3:28 PM, Boilermonkey said:

Thanks for the comments, everyone.  Now begins a long search for a partner with a similar mission and then an airplane.  In the meantime, I love our M20C.

Hi

 

Did you get a new plane? which one one? any thoughts?

 

Thanks

[carusoam]

Welcome aboard Graham...

Let me see where BoilerMonkey is at... (its been a few days since he stopped in...)

But, you left a message, he will see, when he comes in...

Best regards,

-a-

[Hank]

Let me help you out, Anthony. 

@Boilermonkey