Mooney tells OSH ATC to F off

[PaulB]

Listening to LiveATC recordings.  Sunday night (24th) after the airport closed, an L-19 calls in to land with a bad mag and low on fuel and is allowed to land.  A Mooney calls up after this and is told to leave.  He responds by saying "F off Oshkosh."  Classy.

Start listening at 22:15

http://archive-server.liveatc.net/kosh/KOSH-App-Fisk-Jul-25-2016-0030Z.mp3

Edited August 3, 2016 by PaulB

[firefly201]

Not a very smart thing to do since there aren't many airport options close and they can follow you on radar to your destination. There are FAA people at all the airports close by. Wouldn't surprise me if a friendly inspector was there to greet him and do a ramp check very, very, slowly. I hope all the paperwork was perfect.  

[201er]

Is it actually an faa problem? Sounds like only the fcc would get worked up over it.

[slowflyin]

Unfortunate to say the least.

[PTK]

Totally unacceptable, stupid and asinine.

I guess that's his way of saying thank you for the great service and assistance they provide.

I hope controllers know that, even though these idiots unfortunately are out there, they are in the minority.

[peevee]

7 hours ago, 201er said:

Is it actually an faa problem? Sounds like only the fcc would get worked up over it.

Yeah... I've seen them call company for less. Guy got a personal apology letter from the captain. 

Edited August 3, 2016 by peevee

[Mark89114]

One of my Piper driving friends who has flown in six years in a row said it has been the most disrespectful, rule breaking, non compliance arrival he has ever seen.  Going to get on my soapbox and say it probably just reflects what is happening in America as a whole. 

[peevee]

30 minutes ago, Mark89114 said:

One of my Piper driving friends who has flown in six years in a row said it has been the most disrespectful, rule breaking, non compliance arrival he has ever seen.  Going to get on my soapbox and say it probably just reflects what is happening in America as a whole. 

It's system wide. 

[steingar]

33 minutes ago, Mark89114 said:

One of my Piper driving friends who has flown in six years in a row said it has been the most disrespectful, rule breaking, non compliance arrival he has ever seen.  Going to get on my soapbox and say it probably just reflects what is happening in America as a whole. 

Things got pretty messy Sunday afternoon.  I think that was due to the lousy wx, and the fact that everyone was waiting for it to lift and all came racing in once it did.  We took off Thursday, and I was very glad I did.  Had I not I might still be there.

[StevenL757]

Disgusting.  There's no place in aviation for that type of behavior/reply...especially in the cockpit.  Leave it on the ground...or leave it out altogether, accept the situation, and move on.

[Bob_Belville]

Not vulgarity, but unprofessional was the radio "chatter" on the frequency the Caravan was assigned for our arrival Sunday afternoon. The culprits were Warbird pilots. Mooney was not the only group complaining about sharing freq with the inbound and holding Warbirds. 

In such a busy context all calls should be necessary and as brief as possible. Actually that is the rule anywhere, anytime.

(I file and fly IFR on virtually every flight. I put on my big boy voice and try to sound as professional as possible. I think I get better service if I have to ask for a deviation or altitude change.)   

[Oscar Avalle]

Unacceptable... they are doing their job... and we have to respect that. If we have a problem, call later on a land line or file a complaint...

[chrisk]

29 minutes ago, Oscar Avalle said:

Unacceptable... they are doing their job... and we have to respect that. If we have a problem, call later on a land line or file a complaint...

I agree.  The place for the discussion is on the ground.  Nothing good will come of a testy exchange in the air.

[gsengle]

I would have no problem with enforcement action for "air rage", this is never acceptable and can in some cases turn dangerous.

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[chrisk]

10 hours ago, firefly201 said:

Not a very smart thing to do since there aren't many airport options close and they can follow you on radar to your destination. There are FAA people at all the airports close by. Wouldn't surprise me if a friendly inspector was there to greet him and do a ramp check very, very, slowly. I hope all the paperwork was perfect.  

I actually find this post more disturbing than the 5 second outburst from the pilot.   The punitive sort of action suggested is very disturbing and has no place in a professional organization.  That said, I agree the pilots actions were not proper.

[gsengle]

Huh? If I did that at work, in a professional organization, I'd be at a minimum warned, there would be consequences. If someone becomes abusive with a controller or another pilot in the air, ground him. I'm not kidding.

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[Joe Zuffoletto]

What a classless pig.

Reminds me of the saying: "Poor planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part."

[StinkBug]

Note that he's also basically shooting the messenger. He's talking to Fisk approach, and the tower is the one that made the call. When the Tower says they are closed, approach has no control over it. I heard a B-25 with another warbird in formation get turned away after the A-26 had the nose wheel collapse. There was still an open runway (9-27) and the airport was supposed to be open for another 30min, but they closed everything because of the incident. 

[Marauder]

My guess is he got upset when the L3 "emergency" was allowed in due to the single mag and low fuel. Still shouldn't have said it.

[carusoam]

There's nothing like being the first to be turned away...  I have the lonely experience from SNF many years ago...  (Something similar was probably said over the intercom)

The controllers give plenty of warning regarding timing.  Imagine a Mooney not able to fly fast enough to get to the marker...

They tell you where you need to be before X minutes elapse.  If not there by then, consider your alternate.  Like clockwork...

the outer approach fix gets shut down first.  If not there on time there are 100,000 spectators awaiting an air show...

You Don't want to be the air show.

Now this errant pilot is the Radio Show being replayed over and over again.

With the power of modern technology, You don't want to accidently be the radio show either... 

Best regards,

-a-

[ArtVandelay]

Huh? If I did that at work, in a professional organization, I'd be at a minimum warned, there would be consequences. If someone becomes abusive with a controller or another pilot in the air, ground him. I'm not kidding.

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I'm with you, if they can't control emotions, I doubt their ability to control the airplane.

[gsengle]

I had a situation at Farmingdale in the metro New York area. I was holding short for takeoff and another pilot taxied up on a different taxiway for an intersection take off. I was then cleared for full length take off. The pilot in the I think it was a 172 was so incensed that I got to go first that he gave the tower controller quite an ear full. I really couldn't believe it and it was a heavy New York accent to boot - there is a bullying culture too often in evidence there - I lived in NYC for 20 years. He was still arguing with the controller and blocking the frequency as I was trying to get a word in to get a frequency change to departure. I really hope something happened to him and it was particularly annoying in that case as he was in the wrong. The arrogance of someone who won't stand down even in the face of unambiguous authority is troubling.

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[Jeff_S]

The Mooney pilot sounded Canadian to me, but it's tough to say for sure. Also, are we 100% positive that the comment came from the Mooney pilot? I listened to it three times and I couldn't tell for sure.

Finally, who hasn't had the unfortunate slip up and said something over the open mic that was really supposed to stay in the cockpit? I think before we condemn someone in this obviously trying circumstance, perhaps a bit of benefit of the doubt is called for. I've been cussed out over the phone many times, and it's never just because  the other person was a total jerk. There's always something going on that precipitates the reaction.

The ATC response was exactly what was called for...nothing. Let the guy blow off some steam, realize he may be dealing with other shit in the cockpit (maybe a wife or kid who really has to go to the bathroom) and call it a day.

[Raptor05121]

Seems like everyone gets testy at these type of events.

Last SnF, I was scanning tower and ground. A Baron was taxiing out 5 minutes after the airport was scheduled to close. He took off and tower contacted him telling him the airport was closed. He came back with "a lady in a reflective SnF green jacket on a four wheeler told me to just go ahead and go". They went back and forth asking for her name, where she was and the poor pilot was doing the best he could trying to ID the lady. The last bit was "when you get on the ground at Tampa, give this number a call..."

The pilot was none too happy.

[M20F]

On August 3, 2016 at 11:51 AM, chrisk said:

I actually find this post more disturbing than the 5 second outburst from the pilot.   The punitive sort of action suggested is very disturbing and has no place in a professional organization.  That said, I agree the pilots actions were not proper.

Punitive - inflicting or intended as punishment.  I certainly think punitive action is warranted given his actions.