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  1. Hi All, I am starting this thread to help those who have made the decision to upgrade their fuel senders to the CiES units and like me are starting to look for information on how to install them. First, thanks to Bob Belville and Terry Heim for agreeing to the CiES mug shots so I could obtain the Oshkosh show prices. Also, thanks to Bob S-50 for confirming my decision to make the purchase. I will be working with Terry to install these in his Mooney and mine. Terry is an IA and I agreed to start sourcing the necessary supplies to do the installs. I am currently looking for suppliers for the wiring, connectors and mounting hardware. The instruction manual does provide specific mil-spec numbers for the wiring. The mounting hardware shows a washer NAS number but I only have a partial description for the sender mounting screws. When I nail down what is needed, I will provide details on the components. My senders will be connected to an O&N Bladder System and a JPI 900. I intend to use them in "frequency" mode (advantage of working with electrical engineers to understand what this means). There are some differences in the installations based on whether your plane requires two or four senders. Terry's plane only has two senders, mine has four. In my installation, the two senders per wing will communicate with each other and the output will go to the JPI. There is also a requirement to calibrate the JPI and I will describe this process as we get to it. Right now, my priority is obtaining the hardware and burning down the fuel in my tanks so I can drain the rest of the fuel and begin the installation. For those of you who have already installed these, please share what you can on what you uncovered during the process.
  2. Flying to see the Eclipse

    Nice. This is all I saw from southern PA. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro
  3. Be very careful about the length of the replacement tach cable. The shop that replaced mine, order it slightly too long and it trashed the tach. Instead of repair it, I went with the EI electronic gauge. Provides additional information like max rpm experienced and a few other features. From this: To this: Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro
  4. When I had the wet wings, I remember the unusable was supposed to be around 3 gallons total. Useable being 64. My bladder system is supposed to have 54.8 useable, but we could only get 50 in during JPI calibration.
  5. Fuel Bladders soon to be approved !

    In 1991, the 54.8 gallon system I had installed was $4,900.
  6. Fuel Bladders soon to be approved !

    The original 52 gallon Mooneys that had bladders installed went up to 54.8. Not sure if the 64 gallons can be installed in them. The 57 the owner is reporting includes the unusable fuel. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro
  7. Fuel Bladders soon to be approved !

    Planes that were originally 64 gallon useable may have had the bladders installed and reduced the quantity from 64 gallons to 54.8 gallons. If the plane you are looking at has a 54.8 gallon bladder system, you can purchase a two extra bladder system to bring it back to 64 gallons. I have the 54.8 gallon bladder system. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro
  8. CiES Fuel Senders Resource Thread

    I want to provide some more clarity to this resistive versus frequency conversation. I spoke to JPI yesterday in an attempt to get an answer to what firmware I needed. When I told them I was installing a CiES flow sender system, the tech guy sent me to the sales team. The woman I spoke with told me that she personally went up to the CiES booth at Oshkosh and informed them they needed to stop telling people if they had a JPI 900 or 930 they were good to go. This, along with the fact that if you did not know what you were buying from CiES, you could end up with senders set up for frequency or resistive (green wire senders) and trying to sort out what to do next. I also spoke with Scott earlier in the week both verbally and through email over an issue with my senders not being labeled correctly and found out that I was sent the wrong inboard senders. CiES is stepping up to the plate and sending me the correct ones. Based on the conversation with Scott, I think he is struggling with all of the airframe differences that these senders can be installed in and I think if you buy these you will need to be patient as they get their documentation and processes nailed down. Based on feedback from those of you who have installed them -- if you want accurate fuel gauges, this is the way to go. It is just not a slam dunk to install them. Now for the technical information for JPI 900/930s; > Tim (name consented to be used) from JPI informed me that if you intend to run these units in frequency mode, you will need to send your JPI 900/930 back for both a firmware and a hardware change which includes a cable change. This will cost you $350. > If you are intending on running resistive, you will need the green wire version of the sender and need the current firmware. The current firmware is 1.30.1029. Unless you purchased recently, you will most likely have dated firmware. To determine the firmware, go into the user setup and toggle through until you get to the "About" option. On the right is the "Info" button, push that and it will show you the operating software and firmware. Sorry, I didn't get a price from JPI for just firmware updates. N6758N (Terry) and I are working up the parts list for the components to install these units in bladder equipped Mooneys. Once we get our parts list together, I will provide what we bought and update everyone on what went right and what went wrong. For those of you who were personally involved in the installation of your units, I would appreciate a PM on potential gotchas.
  9. GTN 650 reception range.

    That is exactly what I am up to currently. The shop that installed my GTN was told explicitly to replace all wiring. They left the RG-58. The best price I found for RG-400 is Aircraft Spruce. The BNC connectors are all in the $7 - $8 range from all the suppliers (Newark, Allied, Mouser, Chief, Aircraft Spruce). As Byron, points out you want to find a decent crimper. I would also add pick up a coax cutter that can handle the 3 cuts you need and practice some cuts as well. The RG-400 is silver coated copper stranded cable. The general misconception is that you can crimp the center conductor on with the 0.068" crimp. You can, but to take full advantage of the stranded wire, you should solder it on. Crimping is fine if you are using straight up RG-58 with a solid core copper conductor. The attached picture is the correct center conductor for attaching to RG-400. The hole is where you should be placing the solder. There is a high priced special solder adapter that heats the connector uniformly, but making sure you heat the connector to around 370 degrees and flow 60/40 solder (rosen not acid flux) will work fine.
  10. Fuel Bladders soon to be approved !

    The REAPER!!!! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
  11. Of course I would. And all those guys who sent me PMs asking where they could find women like that. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
  12. But knowing our luck, he would come back as Zombie Timmy. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
  13. Fuel Bladders soon to be approved !

    Just want to relay an experience this morning working with the Grigg's team. Called to check on the kits for converting to locking caps. I also needed to understand what was involved in the conversion. Spoke to Ruthie first who informed me she is the "finance" person. She quickly had me speak with Mike who explained the cap conversion process. Back to Ruthie and the order placed. What customer should be. Nice job Team Grigg's!! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
  14. And little Timmy would be executed by firing squad... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
  15. If I became a moderator half of you would be banned for life! [emoji23]🤣 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
  16. The issue with enforcing is moderation. When you look at the other forums, we are a pretty civil bunch. It would require someone to moderate the thread and delete negative posts. I do agree that posting things here for sale has always taken an unusual twist. I particularly find it humorous when the Grim Reaper posts some avionics for sale and someone posts they have one for less. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro
  17. CiES Fuel Senders Resource Thread

    The explanation I received was the original planes had 2 senders. The second set was added to the F, J and K models reportedly not to specifically address the 7 more gallons per side but to improve the accuracy by averaging the 2 sender readings in each tank. Hopefully someone can confirm this. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro
  18. GTN 650 reception range.

    Wow! I thought I was reading my post on the topic. I have a soon to be 5 year old GTN. The only problem I had with it has been an open squelch issue that turned out to be caused by the JPI 900. Earlier this year I had the ADS-B upgrade done and shortly afterwards, the annual. I started flying the plane for the month between avionics work and annual. I began noticing the range for transmitting was really short. It became really pronounced on an IPC where 5 different ATC facilities couldn't hear me. I could hear them though. Took the plane back to the avionics shop and found that the KX-99 portable radio adapter in that antenna line was failing. They removed it, did some ground tests and the obligatory SWR measurements to confirm the fix. When heading back home, I noticed the reception was terrible. I had the GTN and GNC 255 on the same frequency and I could see the 255 Rx light come on but nothing on the GTN. I could only pick something up with the squelch open. I flew it a few more times before the annual and confirmed it was not receiving well. At the annual, I had them check the BNC and cable. They weren't able to find anything obviously wrong. Looking around with my borescope, I saw that when they installed my new GTN, they kept the same RG-58 antenna wire (despite asking them to replace it). I'm in the process of removing the RG-58 and installing RG-400 with a new CI-196 antenna. My original antenna and wiring is original to the plane. I'm hoping that this will correct the issue. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro
  19. CiES Fuel Senders Resource Thread

    We will need to purchase wire, connectors and shrink wrap along with the mounting screws. There is a notation in the manual that indicates we could have purchased them with connectors. I have the mil-spec on the wiring stuff and will order it. Would appreciate help getting the mounting screws identified. They provide the NAS number for the washers on the mounting screws but there is no number for the actual screw. I don't intend of reusing any of the factory tefzel wiring even if it already there. Since I will have the panels out for the coax I am running, I'm going to run all new wires to the senders. The manual also indicates we will need to level the planes. Let me know if you have jacks. If not, I'll get my buddy's (the ones we used last winter). I will also call JPI and get the firmware number for determining whether we can run these senders in frequency mode. My EE friends tell me running in frequency mode is less likely to be interfered with from anything else in the plane. I'll be around this weekend for the air show (the C54 showed up today and most of the rest will be coming tomorrow morning. They also will be practicing their routines tomorrow afternoon). I have flown half of my fuel out and will try to fly it down tomorrow morning to VFR mins so I don't have a lot of pumping to do later. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro
  20. CiES Fuel Senders Resource Thread

    Hmmm. According to the installation manual, the user can select which mode the sender operates in. Frequency, resistive or voltage. I'll call them tomorrow and get clarity. I did read the JPI is able to handle these as well, but as others have discovered, only if the firmware is correct. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro
  21. Pick up a WX-500, you can remote mount it and put the output on your 530/430. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro
  22. CiES Fuel Senders Resource Thread

    The F, J & Ks have 4. I know the Cs have 2 and believe the Es do as well. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro
  23. CiES Fuel Senders Resource Thread

    Paul - one other question. Do you have a source for the attachment hardware? Screws, washers, sleeves, etc.? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro
  24. CiES Fuel Senders Resource Thread

    Paul - thanks for the detailed response. One thing I need to confirm tonight is which of these units is supposed to be the master and which is supposed to be the slave. The drawing makes it appear that the outboard sender is the slave and that it should have 3 wires. The sender I have labeled as outboard has 4 wires. What wire configuration did your senders have? Also - have you or anyone else installed these in bladder equipped planes? Wonder if there will be an issue. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro
  25. CiES Fuel Senders Resource Thread

    Lee's issue may be the age of the firmware. Mine was back late last year and had a firmware update. Once I understand the details on the JPI situation I will post it. I was told by our electrical engineers that frequency is a better way to go over resistive. Perhaps the difference is negligible but it is my understanding that to keep it resistive, Lee will need to install a resistor in the circuit.