Whistling Noise?

[Danb]

I took a couple people for a flight last week one was a senior in high school who was looking at some Ivy League schools, his parents are a physician and engineer so he was planning on following it there footsteps until our flight, he fell in love so Embry for there flight program is in play. What other colleges have good programs for an excellent student? Anyway on descent to landing I heard a weird noise I didn’t know where it came from. So I went looking today after an hour of flight it finally cropped up, trying everything I discovered it was coming from the defroster when I pulled out the lever it got louder. It is a whistling sound does anyone have clue what it could be?

D 

[LANCECASPER]

1 hour ago, Danb said:

I took a couple people for a flight last week one was a senior in high school who was looking at some Ivy League schools, his parents are a physician and engineer so he was planning on following it there footsteps until our flight, he fell in love so Embry for there flight program is in play. What other colleges have good programs for an excellent student? Anyway on descent to landing I heard a weird noise I didn’t know where it came from. So I went looking today after an hour of flight it finally cropped up, trying everything I discovered it was coming from the defroster when I pulled out the lever it got louder. It is a whistling sound does anyone have clue what it could be?

D 

Maybe a disconnected (or partially disconnected) defroster hose. Or maybe the kid was whistling. . . lol?

[M20TN_Driver]

I know my my defroster is incredibly loud in flight as well. As I understand the fan needs mouse milk occasionally to keep it quiet.  

[jlunseth]

University of North Dakota is one of the best in the country. On a par with Embrey. Minnesota State University at Mankato has built up an excellent aviation program but not yet on a par with Embrey and UND. Did not go to an aviation school myself, but talking to many who did, UND and Embrey are the two names always mentioned as being the top, and I don’t know who else would be in that league.

[ArtVandelay]

I would encourage him to get an engineer degree from a good school first, he can take pilot lessons during the summer, then after graduation he’ll have options.

[Rick Junkin]

On 12/12/2023 at 5:35 PM, Danb said:

he fell in love so Embry for there flight program is in play.

I have a graduate degree from Embry-Riddle, it opened doors for me in the aerospace industry.

I'm guessing he's immediately interested in the professional pilot curriculum, and I suggest he look at plussing that up with what's required for the aeronautical or aerospace engineering degree. It's a heavy course load, and tuition is not for the faint of heart or lack of means, but that approach will set him up with good options in aviation after graduation.

Cheers,
Rick

[KSMooniac]

I concur about looking at schools that can offer a pro pilot track as well as a solid "real" degree backup curriculum, especially engineering! (Disclaimer, I'm an engineer!)  We need more engineers in the industry, and if a person has the aptitude, I strongly encourage exploring that avenue while treating flying as a bonus track.  We all know it doesn't take much to lose flying privileges, so having a solid backup skillset is a very wise decision.  

If the person (and parents) agree with that approach, then you don't necessarily need to have a university-led flight training curriculum, so you can search for schools with appropriate majors (and cultural, geographical fits, etc.) that also have local flight training options, either via Pt. 141, flying clubs, or similar.  That puts the onus on the student to push through training vs. getting pulled through by a university schedule, but I think that is offset by landing in a potentially better degree plan at a college that meets their needs the best, vs. just one with a flight training program.  A mature, motivated student should have no problem with this, IMO.  

In my neck of the woods, Kansas State and Oklahoma State both have university flight training programs, although KSU's is in a different town than the main campus, so I don't know the practicalities of flying + engineering with them.  I believe OSU is all in Stillwater.  Both have engineering programs that grew out of the old land grant college programs from the 1800's.

[Brandt]

On 12/18/2023 at 9:44 AM, jlunseth said:

University of North Dakota is one of the best in the country. On a par with Embrey. Minnesota State University at Mankato has built up an excellent aviation program but not yet on a par with Embrey and UND. Did not go to an aviation school myself, but talking to many who did, UND and Embrey are the two names always mentioned as being the top, and I don’t know who else would be in that league.

Purdue. 

[jlunseth]

OK, I have heard that name also. 

[N201MKTurbo]

It’s amazing how many UND planes are flying around here.

[jlunseth]

23 hours ago, N201MKTurbo said:

It’s amazing how many UND planes are flying around here.

You should see the airfield, esp. on a Saturday morning in the summer. Beehive. Can't sit on the runway while you make decisions or they will have five go-arounds from behind you.

[mike_elliott]

On 12/20/2023 at 1:08 PM, Brandt said:

Purdue. 

This ^^^^^

 

[Niko182]

For the price of 4 years at Embry riddle, one can buy an aircraft, go to a community college for 2 years, a state school for another 2, build a couple hundred hours, and sell the plane and probably come out a fairly better pilot with significantly more real world flying experience and probably save some money too. Just my 2 cents. I slightly ran into that issue 5 or 6 years ago. The hardest part is selling the plane after. I obviously wouldn't know.

[LANCECASPER]

University of North Dakota is one of the best in the country. On a par with Embrey. Minnesota State University at Mankato has built up an excellent aviation program but not yet on a par with Embrey and UND. Did not go to an aviation school myself, but talking to many who did, UND and Embrey are the two names always mentioned as being the top, and I don’t know who else would be in that league.

I have fond memories of learning to fly in Grand Forks, ND. My instructor was a UND student and I got to take advantage of a few of the UND resources including taking my PPL check ride in February of 1986 with their Chief Flight Instructor at the time, Don Dubuque, who later went on to do quite a few things for their program.






Back then, and I’ve heard still today, they had a great culture within the Aviation program. Just doing air work in the pattern and in the area, it was obvious in listening to the students that the program had its act together.
His bio above when he was inducted into the UND Aviation Hall of Fame says that the UND site in Phoenix alone flies over 45,000 hours annually.

[N201MKTurbo]

7 hours ago, jlunseth said:

You should see the airfield, esp. on a Saturday morning in the summer. Beehive. Can't sit on the runway while you make decisions or they will have five go-arounds from behind you.

https://aero.und.edu/phoenix/index.html

My point was that they are not just in North Dakota.

UND said they flew over 45,000 hours at the Phoenix campus last year.

[Niko182]

Is your door seal tight? Both the baggage and the main door seal?

[Shadrach]

On 12/20/2023 at 1:08 PM, Brandt said:

Purdue. 

Another vote for Perdue. I learned to fly at Monticello (KMCX) not far from the university. I did not attend but I took my written and my check ride there. Impressive facility.

[BDPetersen]

Purdue Pro Pilot grad here (‘67) as is my son (‘11). We flew DC-3’s and -6’s in the ‘60’s. Not so now, but good sim fleet, I think.

[Schllc]

On 12/12/2023 at 5:35 PM, Danb said:

I took a couple people for a flight last week one was a senior in high school who was looking at some Ivy League schools, his parents are a physician and engineer so he was planning on following it there footsteps until our flight, he fell in love so Embry for there flight program is in play. What other colleges have good programs for an excellent student? Anyway on descent to landing I heard a weird noise I didn’t know where it came from. So I went looking today after an hour of flight it finally cropped up, trying everything I discovered it was coming from the defroster when I pulled out the lever it got louder. It is a whistling sound does anyone have clue what it could be?

D 

Tear off a sheet from your notepad in flight and lay it on the seam between the door and frame and move it around to see where it gets sucked to the ceiling. 
this is where 90% of the noise from every Mooney I have owned comes from. 

One of them was so bad, even after a new door seal, I carried blue take and would tape over the seam for long flights. I ended up getting some 1/4” weatherstripping from Home Depot and laying it around the frame. It’s now tighter than a frogs butt!

[Danb]

Yep I do put in weather stripping on the door, on the Bravo I installed a pneumatic seal, I have one but haven’t installed it. The local MSC wouldn’t do it since the TN. Isn’t on the STC. 

[LANCECASPER]

1 minute ago, Danb said:

Yep I do put in weather stripping on the door, on the Bravo I installed a pneumatic seal, I have one but haven’t installed it. The local MSC wouldn’t do it since the TN. Isn’t on the STC. 

@tomgo2 (the owner of the inflatable door STC) are you listening? 

Since we don't live far apart I would let you use my M20TN if you need it to get the STC updated to include the long body Mooneys.

[Shadrach]

We had a pneumatic door cuff installed in the early aughts. The door fit was snug but the door closed easily.  The seal would not take any air from day one. I suspect this was because input port was compressed against the internal seal.  It mattered not. The door had zero leaks.  Eventually I just removed the squeeze bulb and hose.  Still tight as a drum nearly 20 years later.  I have flown some drafty airplanes of all makes.  This time of year especially, I am grateful to have a plane that is warm and draft free...I wish I could say the same for my hangar.

[Will.iam]

If on a budget, go get glider lessons and build time in that instead of burning $5+ a gal of avgas for your 40 hours then just pay for 10 hours of instruction time to get your PPL , this is especially helpful for the youth that are younger as you can get your solo sailplane at 14 license at 16 which is earlier than you can your single engine land. I have a few friends that their sons are doing this and when they turn 17 get their PPL then their commercial then they fly the tow plane for all the other people that are flying sailplanes and they are building time and getting paid and off their parents pocketbooks.  The cheapest and fastest way to get those initial hours as seniority is everything in the airline world. Each year earlier you can get on means one more year at the top of the pay scales and with seniority to pick the best money making trips can literally be over a million in a year and with inflation and pay rates to follow a million a year will become more common than just the few that have the seniority and no life but flying to the FAR limits each month that are getting those totals now. 

[MB65E]

If I were to do it over again I would have paid more attention in math and gone to an aerospace engineering school. Skip the 141 training, then go to OTS and fly fighters. 
I went to SIU for aircraft maintenance, did part 61 training on the side, and  finished my commercial with an A&P And BS in pocket. 

Cal poly for engineering I here is good.

We competed in the collegiate aerobatic program with Embry and UND.  

Embry was always highly overpriced.

-Matt

[Danb]

On 12/21/2023 at 3:19 PM, LANCECASPER said:

I have fond memories of learning to fly in Grand Forks, ND. My instructor was a UND student and I got to take advantage of a few of the UND resources including taking my PPL check ride in February of 1986 with their Chief Flight Instructor at the time, Don Dubuque, who later went on to do quite a few things for their program.






Back then, and I’ve heard still today, they had a great culture within the Aviation program. Just doing air work in the pattern and in the area, it was obvious in listening to the students that the program had its act together.
His bio above when he was inducted into the UND Aviation Hall of Fame says that the UND site in Phoenix alone flies over 45,000 hours annually.

Lance our flight careers seem to be mirroring each other my first flight was  2-6-1986, the day I fell in love again. Your ppl 2-20-86,  now when was your instrument rating.