midlifeflyer

No "argue" required. Just one word if it's a safety issue. "Unable." Perhaps a few extra words to make it clearer.

The related issue is controller knowledge of aircraft limitations, including "relative speed" and what that means for operation. This may or may not be the case, but just to illustrate, It sounded like the controller was anticipating (1) keeping speed up and (2) slowing down so quickly as to be able to make an early exit. Speed-related sequencing at a towered airport is, in the real world, a mutual issue, whatever "the book" might say about each's responsibilities. (BTW, we got one of those last second go-arounds on a dual night cross country with a primary student at a Class B airport. It was fun.)

Hey, you got an apology on the fly. A controller once turned me on base in front of one and only apologized to the jet.

It's not about reading manuals. It's about learning about a variety of procedures. Sometimes we learn about them in advance, sometimes "on the fly," as you did. Sometimes we learn it from an article or thread. Sometimes it's intellectual curiosity. In my case it's all three. I lived in Denver 20 years so I was exposed to it often, just like others who fly where these exist. I came across the GTN/Garmin database difference in another thread on another forum. I find things that might be i the manual because, as a CFII who teaches in airplanes with a variety of equipment, I feel it is my responsibility to know ow my students' equipment works.

A correction: Apparently the latest Garmin models do include Radar Vector SIDs in the Garmin database. I just checked two of them to be sure. I was able to load the DENVER SID from the Garmin database into a GTN unit, but not the Jepp database. (Lack of consistency between the two databases is not unheard-of). I could not load it from the IFD database. This must be a pretty recent thing. The most current version of the GTN user guide still says "NOTE: Vector-only departures are not available in the Procedures database as the GTN 7XX cannot provide navigational guidance on vectored legs." In the GTN using Garmin's database, it asks for your departing runway and transition, and creates an initial runway heading waypoint,, which it labels as "vectors," followed by a direct route to your transition. It seems to be a decent compromise. It appears in the database so avoids the potential confusion of being assigned it but not seeing it listed. OTOH, since there is no route structure, the "Vectors" announcement makes clear it's not a route to be followed.

There is not a pure vector departure out of the Dallas area. I don't know if this is universal, but my impression is, if there is a pure vector departure and there is a departure named after the airport, that's the one it will be.

Every EFB which has official SID charts has official SID charts. That includes FlyQ. And since the DENVER SID has no routes, FlyQ doesn't load it. Basically, if a procedure has no routes at all, there is nothing to load. Here's the FlyQ screen if you try to load DENVER.

This. The only post-private FAA certificate or rating which requires solo time - meaning the only human on board - is the commercial (unless you are using the "performing the duties" substitute). Of course, logging solo fir that purpose doesn't require that column. BTW, I knew someone who had his commercial checkride terminated because he didn't log enough.

Yes, the charts are of course available, just like in paper and every EFB. And all of them which have a route can be sent into the flight plan of those EFBs which have that functionionality and to a box with the proper certification. I was only differentiating those which don't have a routing, like the DENVER. For example, the same list from the same airport in the route advisor procedure selector, minus one.

One thing a little different about the DENVER SID (and a few others) is, if you have Foreflight, you will notice it doesn't come up in the procedure advisor. It doesn't even come up in a Garmin or IFD certified box. That's because it is literally a "pure" vectored SID. There is no route to intercept, so nothing for it to load on your map or flight plan.

"Pure" Radar vector SIDs are quite common. remember, a SID and a STAR are nothing more than canned clearances common to an area. Anything which can be the subject of ATC instructions for departure or arrival can be the content,

Well, I haven't had a chart book for...let me check...a bit over 8.5 years. But I have flown without "own ship" position on a tablet and the charts work just fine.

In the Denver area, KOA radio was one of those high-power stations. It's just about on the edge of the Class D at KAPA. Used to fly back home form new Mexico navigating to it while listening to football.

Seems to be a common theme

Paranoia can be a good thing.