Looking to get into a Mooney

[thinwing]

A klystron switch was used to time the explosive impulses to nano second accuracy...allowing development of implosion triggered A-bomb...

[klystron]

50 minutes ago, thinwing said:

 

I try to stay away from that topic because... reasons... 

Klystron: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klystron

Edited August 4, 2016 by klystron
clarity

[thinwing]

Yeah I imagine security at the lab must be pretty intense

[Jerry 5TJ]

24 minutes ago, bluehighwayflyer said:

Why not just change your user name to something else, then?

Klystron is not necessarily a sinister term:  NASA deep space net transmitters use klystron tube amplifiers to make lots of RF power to chat with space probes at terrific distances.  As I recall the 70 meter diameter antennas have a pair of klystron final amplifiers.  Output at the feed point is up to +86 dBm.  EIRP approaches +149 dBm.  Possibly the brightest monochromatic signal in our galaxy.  

Ref: Deep Space Net

[Marauder]

1 hour ago, Jerry 5TJ said:

Klystron is not necessarily a sinister term:  NASA deep space net transmitters use klystron tube amplifiers to make lots of RF power to chat with space probes at terrific distances.  As I recall the 70 meter diameter antennas have a pair of klystron final amplifiers.  Output at the feed point is up to +86 dBm.  EIRP approaches +149 dBm.  Possibly the brightest monochromatic signal in our galaxy.  

Ref: Deep Space Net

I just love it when you go engineer on us.  Do you suppose this falls into the FTNGTSA zone? 

[Jerry 5TJ]

7 hours ago, Marauder said:

I just love it when you go engineer on us.  Do you suppose this falls into the FTNGTSA zone? 

I could have "gone astronomer" and converted EIRP to Jansky units.  

However you measure it is a seriously loud radio transmitter.  In aircraft terms, it is as if your VHF comm radio put out 794,000,000,000 watts.  

I'm waiting for Garmin to offer that upgrade. I may need a larger alternator.  

[Marauder]

What is a mouse sock?  I have visions of a desktop computers Mouse having a leather "piece" attached to its nether regions?  

It's the little booties in your main gear wells that cover the mechanism where it goes into the wing. There to keep mice and other stuff from entering the wing.

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[Yetti]

My mouse socks are still good otherwise I would have to break out the sewing machine.   I need to measure and order some sunbrella fabric.  I think a cover is next on the new project list...  Sunbrella would probably make a better mouse sock.

[gsxrpilot]

Just to get back on track here... Two things I've learned about ownership...

1. You should be able to spend 10% of the purchase price of the plane on unexpected maintenance at anytime including the day after taking delivery.

2. Don't discount an M20C. I just sold one that crossed the Rockies a couple of times. It went in and out of DRO at gross weight, also FLG, WYS, ABQ and other high DA airports at gross weight. It was a cheap airplane to own and a good first airplane.

[klystron]

1 hour ago, bluehighwayflyer said:

I really wasn't suggesting otherwise. If Josh really wants to stay away from questions concerning a particular use of klystrons, though, that in this case thinwing logically assumed might be relevant to his work given the physical location with which Josh also self-identified, changing his user name might be a good start. 

Klystron's are fine, as Jerry said they are just really big RF amplifiers. I don't know about what thingwing was talking about (which is not a klystron). 

[klystron]

53 minutes ago, gsxrpilot said:

Just to get back on track here... Two things I've learned about ownership...

1. You should be able to spend 10% of the purchase price of the plane on unexpected maintenance at anytime including the day after taking delivery.

2. Don't discount an M20C. I just sold one that crossed the Rockies a couple of times. It went in and out of DRO at gross weight, also FLG, WYS, ABQ and other high DA airports at gross weight. It was a cheap airplane to own and a good first airplane.

Cool, yeah I'll keep an eye out for one. If I had known 100% that I would have my medical I totally would have bought your C. Right now I'm looking mostly at an M20E that Alan Fox is selling in NJ and another M20E (rayjay turbo and speedbrakes!) that a guy is selling in Ca. 

I'm also going to meet with a coworker today who currently has an experimental but wants to get into a certified aircraft and a fast one. He is looking at M20Ks and would be interested in a partnership. 

Edited August 5, 2016 by klystron
forgot something

[klystron]

Although I just found a really sweet C on controller: http://www.controller.com/listings/aircraft/for-sale/1439237/1962-mooney-m20c

600smoh, 995lbs useful load, 3-blade prop, 430W, Garmin SL30, Garmin 340 audio, Garmin GTX-327, Garmin 496 yoke mounted, speed mods. Paint in 2011, tanks sealed 2011. Seems like a well maintained, quick C. 

[thinwing]

1 hour ago, klystron said:

Klystron's are fine, as Jerry said they are just really big RF amplifiers. I don't know about what thingwing was talking about (which is not a klystron). 

There is mockup just down the street from you, at The  Bradford Museum.The display shows the history of fat man ,first plutonium implosion device.It discusses the use of Klystron switches to time explosion of HE segments to crush plutonium sphere to critical mass.Aparently the museum curators think it is a Klystron !(of which I am told there are many types)Hey sorry to bring it up ,I was just curious

[jrwilson]

3 hours ago, gsxrpilot said:

Just to get back on track here... Two things I've learned about ownership...

1. You should be able to spend 10% of the purchase price of the plane on unexpected maintenance at anytime including the day after taking delivery.

2. Don't discount an M20C. I just sold one that crossed the Rockies a couple of times. It went in and out of DRO at gross weight, also FLG, WYS, ABQ and other high DA airports at gross weight. It was a cheap airplane to own and a good first airplane.

Agreed wholeheartedly about the mighty C!  It was a great plane for me (although my second plane...a real step-up from a Cessna 140).  

[Hank]

5 hours ago, gsxrpilot said:

Just to get back on track here... Two things I've learned about ownership...

1. You should be able to spend 10% of the purchase price of the plane on unexpected maintenance at anytime including the day after taking delivery.

2. Don't discount an M20C. I just sold one that crossed the Rockies a couple of times. It went in and out of DRO at gross weight, also FLG, WYS, ABQ and other high DA airports at gross weight. It was a cheap airplane to own and a good first airplane.

Yep, I'm still in my "starter" plane, the mighty M20-C. It's been nine wonderful years and more trips than I can count. Only had to watch load, CG and fuel once, when taking three adult cousins out of a grass strip at the beach and up the Outer Banks to FFA. I was limited to 17 gals per side of fuel to stay under gross, but CG was never an issue. Good thing, too, since the other three rotated seats at every stop (fuel at ACZ, FFA then more fuel at MEO out in the sound to fly back).

Even took the wife, luggage for ten days and a couple of bags for friends in another plane with Gross Weight issues out to COD and back. Seems like that trip is where I crossed 200 hours total time, and averaged 127 knots westbound and 151 knots on the return to West-by-Gawd Virginny. Could have been higher speed, but we kept stopping to wait for our friends to catch up . . .  

[klystron]

Went flying with a friend / coworker of mine down to Double Eagle in his RV-7. Had a good time. He was thinking about getting into a M20K 252 but with one of my main goals being time building we decided that probably isn't my best option. Over late lunch I showed him an M20C and M20F I was looking at and he was intrigued by the fact that he might be able to do a partnership on one of those and still keep his RV! I've sent him a couple of listings that I've been eyeing and we might be taking a trip out to AZ to look N7027V in his RV. Might be looking at a few others as well. 

[Raptor05121]

Keep up the good work. Have you had a chance to fly in a Mooney yet?

[klystron]

On 8/6/2016 at 1:38 AM, Raptor05121 said:

Keep up the good work. Have you had a chance to fly in a Mooney yet?

No not yet. Sit in one, yes, fly, no. 

I think I'm going to make a move on the 1962 M20C. I spoke to the broker on the phone today and will hopefully have scans of the logbooks in hand by the end of the day. I have an insurance quote from AOPA in hand (for a decent bit less than I was expecting), I have loan pre-approval in hand. 

Once I have looked over the logs I'll arrange a pre-buy, and maybe a fresh annual? It still has almost 6 months on the annual inspection, but I'm thinking I'd like to do a combined pre-buy and annual. Once that is all done I guess I'll fly out there with an instructor from here in Los Alamos and then fly it back!

Sadly I'll have to leave this beautiful bird tied down, but I think I'll order some nice covers from Bruce's Custom Covers. I might end up selling a 50% share to a friend of mine and if that goes through and they ever get around to building new hangars up here then I'll try to get it into a hangar here in town.

[Raptor05121]

The only bad thing about the pre-64s I have found out is we are losing 4 gallons compared to post-64s. We have 48 gals, they get 52. I'm not sure if its the same size tanks and they measure differently, but that's my ONLY mark. I do like the round windows.

Keep us posted!

[Hank]

Congratulations! Hope everything goes well with the inspection.

Check out Plane Covers too--I think they fit tighter, and no fasteners have to be added to the plane.

[carusoam]

K,

I bet the 180hp M20C feels like a rocket ship compared to what you are used to...

This is based on my C152 experience before going all Mooney!

Best regards,

-a-

[Andy95W]

2 hours ago, Raptor05121 said:

I do like the round windows.

+1

My first ('67) had the square windows, current ('64) has the rounded.  I gotta admit, the rounded ones grew on me, like the blunt nosed spinner and lopped-off wingtips (I put aftermarket ones on the '67).

The only Mooney I'd trade for is a long body 252 like Paul Steen just got.

[ryoder]

Look at a 65C.  Hat rack, square windows are larger, awesome manual gear, great economy, low overhaul costs, lots made, low purchase price, flush riveting, retractable step.

The ten percent thing doesn't work when you only pay 20k for your C like I did.  I spent over 10k in the first two years on maintenance and upgrades getting great deals and doing some myself with IA supervision.

These airplanes are wonderful money pits.

[Bob_Belville]

13 hours ago, Hank said:

Congratulations! Hope everything goes well with the inspection.

Check out Plane Covers too--I think they fit tighter, and no fasteners have to be added to the plane.

+1

I thought my Plane Covers cover was the best fitting cover of all I was parked with at KOSK.

http://www.planecover.com/Mooney.htm

And Jim Cancil is about as good as customer service gets.  

[klystron]

Update:

So I signed the purchase agreement for N1972W, the 1962 M20C. Working on getting the escrow account set up for the deposit. 

I spoke with Eric at Weep No More about getting a pre-buy inspection done. They told me they can get it done sometime early next week!

So depending on when my instructor has free time, I could be closing as early as next weekend!