Another Chute Save

[bnicolette]

http://www.wxii12.com/news/Small-plane-makes-emergency-landing-in-Davidson-County/29273718

 

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N242MB

 

Damage doesn't even look too bad....................well from a 100 yards away via photo anyhow.

[Alan Fox]

Guess what.....he doesn't get a death sentence for a mechanical failure , or a mistake.....Bravo....

[chrisk]

Maybe some day, a chute will be available and affordable on my 231.....  It would give me and my passengers peace of mind.

[bnicolette]

I just really looked at their flight aware page.  Wow.......they flew the piss out of that thing :30 at a time.  Looks like a commuter.  

[rbridges]

Good thing the reporter isn't a mechanic.  

 

 

 

 

The plane landed safely on the ground after the pilot deployed a parachute, troopers said. The plane wasn't damaged. 

[carusoam]

I think that an SR22 pilot could have landed in that same field and left the nose wheel attached.

Best regards,

-a-

[bnicolette]

I think that an SR22 pilot could have landed in that same field and left the nose wheel attached.

Best regards,

-a-

 

 

That's the decision you get to make when you have the chute Anthony.  Maybe it was the only one around with who knows what around it.  The chute worked as advertised and nobody got hurt.  I'd say that was a successful decision.

[Alan Fox]

F*&** the nosewheel , Ill take the chute....

[Piloto]

The dilemma of choosing between two airlines

 

Safe Airline: Provides a parachute for every passenger but no TV monitor.

 

Fun Airline: Provides TV monitor with internet but no parachute.

 

Which one will you feel more comfortable flying with?

 

You are 20nm SE from CYYT and ran out of gas. Would you open the SR22 chute and ditch on 35F water or glide your Mooney to land. Maybe the SR22 is a brick with no engine power and that is why it needs the chute.

 

 

José

[bnicolette]

*** the nosewheel , Ill take the chute....

 

Well put Alan.  That's what I like about you easterners....................say like it is.  LOL

[bnicolette]

The dilemma of choosing between two airlines

 

Safe Airline: Provides a parachute for every passenger but no TV monitor.

 

Fun Airline: Provides TV monitor with internet but no parachute.

 

Which one will you feel more comfortable flying with?

 

José

 

José,

 

Correction:  Safe Airline - Provides hazmat suit

[kmyfm20s]

The dilemma of choosing between two airlines

 

Safe Airline: Provides a parachute for every passenger but no TV monitor.

 

Fun Airline: Provides TV monitor with internet but no parachute.

 

Which one will you feel more comfortable flying with?

 

José

And fun airline provides unlimited beverage service!

[Jim Peace]

Maybe the SR22 is a brick with no engine power and that is why it needs the chute.

 

José

I heard it needs it because it cannot recover from a spin.......

I also heard about 10,000 dollar mandatory repack every ten years.

[carusoam]

Brett,

If the procedure says...

Pull red handle when the noise maker goes silent.

My insurance company and my family would thank me for following the procedure, no matter how big the field was...

Is anyone familiar with that procedure for the SR22?

Do they recommend selecting a viable field if possible?

Minimum altitude?

Pilot discretion is key...so many choices in a high stress environment.

Best regards,

-a-

[ArtVandelay]

Chute gives you an option, but sometimes it's not the best option.

There is a video of a Cirrus coming down, chute deployed, but plane was on fire, I wonder what the POH says about when to deploy the chute?

[Danb]

Anthony and Brett makes good points, do plastic planes melt Teejay? Good thought..still have to look at that sperm when it's in the hanger..I wonder if the Cirrus drivers as a group stay current or well practiced as a group knowing all you need is that little handle. Our MAPA safety foundation courses are fairly well attended should be more though..

[carusoam]

As opposed to thermoplastic polymers, they are thermoset polymers. Their chemistry is made up with long polymer chains with cross links.

They are plastic, but, they do not melt. Their melting temperature is higher than their combustion temperature.

Depending on their flame retardant additives, they can burn. But that's usually after the fact...

Both composites and aluminum structures fair poorly in impacts. Composites fracture and spill their contents. Aluminum tears and spills it's contents.

100 gal of 100LL ablaze all around the cockpit is a significant problem. In this condition, aluminum will burn as well.

Modern Fuel cell technology has much to offer. Newish manufacturing techniques, computer controlled cutting and welding techniques could be helpful. Fuel hoses that have reliable valve technology that seal when strained to the breaking point...

My thoughts,

-a-

[Robert C.]

I heard it needs it because it cannot recover from a spin.......

I also heard about 10,000 dollar mandatory repack every ten years.

Best not to pass along hearsay...it is generally incomplete and often wrong. The "spin story" is a classic example. If you read up on the development of the Cirri you'll discover that the firm successfully petitioned the FAA to skip the spin tests because it has the BRS. This did save a material amount of time and certification expense.

Since no official spin tests were done some pundit decided the Cirrus apparently is dangerous to spin and an OWT was born.

[Mooneymite]

To chute, or not to chute, is just another cost/benefit analysis we do.

 

Yes, the chute can save our life in certain situations, but at what cost?  I think we all did a similar analysis when we opted for a single engine airplane over a twin.  Under certain circumstances, that second engine can be a life saver, but at what cost?

 

In this case, the occupants walked away.  Good for them.  Good for Cirrus.  However, in our analysis we have to ask:  would they have walked away from this without the chute?  Did the chute make all the difference between success and failure?

 

The cost of the acquisition and maintenance of the chute is high.  Is it too high for you?  Is it too high for the perceived benefits?  I don't think there is a one-size-fits-all answer.  Each of us has to come up with our own answer and realize that it is "our answer".

[aviatoreb]

I'm with several of you - I will not second guess the pilot since everyone walked away un hurt.  Bravo!

 

It hard for me to consider this a chute save looking at that nice field since a skilled pilot surely could have made a safe dead stick landing in that same field.  It will be recorded as a chute save though.  OTOH was that pilot skilled and cool enough to have done it? Am I skilled and cool enough to pull that off?  I wouldn't mind a chute STC that could be installed in my M20K and I would think long and hard to install it if it were available - it would change my flying in that I would allow myself to fly at night - and it would probably convince my mother in law to fly in my plane rather than making my wife drive 6 hours each way to get her (personally - I feel less safe in the car on the Mass-Pike neck and neck with those crazy-angry-nuts on the packed highway at 75mph).

 

Now inquiring minds want to know why the engine quite!  I am not sure if I am hoping for or against fuel exhaustion.  Probably I am hoping for since I like to think that is one preventable emergency I am actively able to avoid.

[bonal]

Was thinking the same thing about the field I am sure most if not all of you keep a sharp eye out for good locations to put down if needed and sometimes there just arent any good options. one never knows until it happens but if i could make a safe field i think i would try for that rather than pull the chord. once your hanging from the chute you still may end up in a bad situation since you have zero control. glad no one hurt.

[kmyfm20s]

How do we know he did aim for the field and setup the plane to pull the chute? I would of! I feel the pilot would of survive without It but seems to be completely unharmed by using it. Every survivable plane crash with out the chute that I have seen either the survivors have a face full of panel or burns. The flip side to that is that many of those crashes occur in the phases of flight that the chute would be the least affective, take offs and landings. The enroute uses of the chutes deployments seem to be trending toward pilot errors, fuel exhaustion and IMC. I personally would like it for night flying, pilot incapacitation, and for comforting the passengers. I am curious to see what was the cause of this one.

[flyboy0681]

I thought it was interesting that the article was juxtaposed with a little byline on the left stating "2 dead in I-40 crash in Davie Co.".

 

This is one small town, in one county, in one state in one big country.

[bnicolette]

Lots of good thoughts here.

 

I am personally a "fan" of the chute and if I were to be spending $600K+ on a single engine piston airplane, I would want the chute option.  It certainly adds a lot of utility (in my opinion) that gives me the "out" that I must have even though statistically speaking the odds of an engine failure are low.  The threat still exists and therefore I could not commute to work at night or low IMC over the route that it is.  Survivability is the key for me and I always want an answer for whatever may happen in flight to survive with a solid plan.  

Coming down on fire under a chute doesn't sound like a good idea???  There are obviously situations where the chute is not the good option but it's just another tool in the box to meet whatever emergency you may be encountering.  That surely can't be a bad thing!!!!  Not sure why so many are opposed to the chute?  

As I get older (and blood pressure gets higher), I'd sure like the chute option for my family also.

Hmmmm?   Anybody want to buy a Baron then all I need is 5 partners so I can afford the plastic airplane with a chute.

[jetdriven]

The dilemma of choosing between two airlines

Safe Airline: Provides a parachute for every passenger but no TV monitor.

Fun Airline: Provides TV monitor with internet but no parachute.

Which one will you feel more comfortable flying with?

You are 20nm SE from CYYT and ran out of gas. Would you open the SR22 chute and ditch on 35F water or glide your Mooney to land. Maybe the SR22 is a brick with no engine power and that is why it needs the chute.

José

And a well-trained pilot wouldn't have run out of gas to begin with. Pick another story