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About glbtrottr

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  1. The cost of those little helicopters is humbling. Nearly $200,000 for an overhaul ? Yikes. Getting my rating wasn’t cheap. They need to be affordable... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  2. Cool! I met with him yesterday to get some rust off of my K model - he apparently doesn't have any Mooney time yet, but he has a bunch of time in other things. Say hello for me! Hope it all goes well - I may fly with him next week prior to visiting Mr. Kaye regularly going forward...
  3. Gary Brenner 1 (949) 400-1842 Tell him 6LL sent you. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  4. Another thought: yes, some of us fly airplanes with a replacement value of $800k- very few of us. Many of us fly ovations, bravos or acclaims - congrats! Still not many with $200-300k birds out there. A good bunch of us discovered Ks and Js hovering at $100k and below, and many of us are ecstatic to be flying a pre-J model for substantially under $100k, sometimes as low as 20/25k...from personal experience. For so long as we continue to treat ownership as some super duper unaffordable special privilege, interest in our brand (and others) will remain low, and demand will affect availability of planes and parts. If people can afford to finance and it’s their choice, they should! I wasn’t always fortunate enough to own 3 airplanes outright. When I was younger, I financed. I’m all for teaching our young men and women responsibility and good credit prior to buying a house by financing the passion of an airplane as an asset and investment in their career- a far better return than those I know who financed over $100k (sometimes as much as $200-400k) in education with little to show for it and not much of a professional future. Owning is investing in yourself, if flying is a career, rather than some special treat that only the “wealthy” should enjoy. If flying is your passion, go buy an Ercoupe for $15k, a Traumahawk or AA1, and fly, fly, fly. I may not be able to buy a G6 not do I need one, or a super duper quadruple turbo laser acclaim, but with responsible budgeting, I can afford an airplane for virtually any budget, size and mission. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  5. I keep reading about debt, debt, debt. When I financed my first 172, I paid a little over 28k for it. 25k financed, $200 a month or so, less than $100 for tiedown. Near run out, functional radios, full IFR stack. Do you THINK I lost money on that deal? Hint: NO. Many of those available today. What did it cost me to fly? Insurance and gas. You mean to tell me that someone making a young man’s wages can’t afford 35 dollars an hour for gas and an annual 172 premium? If so, you guys leave a lot more humble a life than I Expected. Go look on ASO or Trade a Plane, and tell me if there aren’t cherokees or 172’s to be had for similar prices under 30. Let’s not be snobby now: I’m talking about a time builder . College is the biggest imaginable racket out there- UCLA, a public law school, is $43k per year tuition alone. A Cal State is $8k and not a bad deal; community college is free to well over 87% of attendees and the best deal out there: Private and aviation universities? Pricey and not always a good value. If the idea is “doing it on the cheap”, a multi rating is $3k. You can buy an Apache for incredibly cheap, sell it to get your money back, and burn gas to the tune of $70 an hour. Once you get your CFI, CFII and commercial, get other people to pay for your time. The army will gladly take you without a college degree. The airlines will gladly pick up rotary guys. When I got my rotary rating, the school couldn’t keep instructors around because the market is entirely taxed... so yes, ROTC, OCS/OTS and direct commissioning are fine routes, but airlines and others are nearly desperate and thus are not looking for the same pedigreed individuals they were before. To pigeonhole aspiring talent into the usual and costly routes when ownership and sale present a good alternative is...less than ideal.
  6. How’s mike dominó in Mooney’s? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  7. How’s mike dominó in Mooney’s? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  8. Military shmilitary. United States Marine Corps here. Degree shdegree. Whatever. Got a few of those. -as for a degree, getting one is not what it used to be. 30 years ago I went to Caltech for Physics. Today, I obtained a Bachelor of Arts, 120 (145, actually) semester units in one year and one summer, while working full time, at. State university. I reason a you g man can’t cut the college time in at least half. Feel free to ping me offline and I’ll tell you how. A real degree, brick and mortar, school of choice irrelevant. Many people looking for kerosene burners are t asking for a degree these days. 2. The time to repay a military commitment through ROTC or else is typically 2-1. This is not a good time bargain. Doing so self funded is a faster, cheaper option when you account time/value of money. 3. Purchasing an aircraft smartly and cheaply, burning the hours needed and selling it is cheaper than Part 61 or part 141, hands down, twins included. The young man will learn all about maintenance, responsibility, record keeping and finance. Ab initio pilots don’t fare as good a bargain. You can buy a 172 or Cherokee with a minimal 6 pack, burn a hundred hours, and gas notwithstanding make money on the deal. You can get Mooney’s for complex time for 25/35k, burn some engine hours, and sell it. Spend some time in barnstormers, trade a plane, aso, and yes....eBay, not to mention your local airport. We get old, we die, and there are quite a few bargains to be found. The young man can partner with someone and find a cheap Apache, duchess, or travel air, and again sell it for a profit while gaining his hours. CFI hours once he has his ticket are gravy. The military was once a great option; it’s nice they pay your fuel, bird and maintenance, but a self funded pilot may get more hours and sorties faster, have less obligation, and be in the left seat sooner than a military pilot many times- there’s a lot of hurry up and wait, you have to go through “the Basic School”, OTS/OCS, and a myriad of other things and that’s if he makes it; he may not. The Air Force is short over 2000 pilots; people are taking pilots with 750. The CFI’s In a local helicopter school are bailing at 800 to get turbine time, and many are getting sucked up by airlines. These are strange times we are living in. Before long you may see pensions return. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  9. This sucks very badly. I have seen Boeing come into a market and double or triple prices without substantial value in an attempt to monopolize a vertical like a baby amazon. Prices will go up or value will go down, without a doubt.
  10. https://www.macrumors.com/roundup/ipad-mini/ Yup. It looks like an Ipad Mini 5 is coming soon. The wallet must take its usual beatings...
  11. My significant other was horribly anti-aviation, logically and viscerally. She was ideologically anti-gun, and I competed in 3gun. Didn’t cook, hated dogs and started adopting cats. The only thing we seemed to enjoy together after I introduced her to it was scuba diving. Today, she still scuba dives. Yet, my significant other loves to go flying, shoots short guns and long guns, cooks, has no cats and loves my dogs. Sometimes an upgrade is entirely worth it...life is just too short. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  12. Today, sir, you win the Internet. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  13. Ding Ding Ding! Many years back I called Mooney for a recommendation on a Service Center. The gentleman that answered asked - “why not being it here?” Hmmm... because you’ll charge me 3-5 times as much? At the time the factory was shuttered. There is a viable, non trivial and I think somewhat substantial business if Mooney can credibly and reasonably deliver on what you suggest up here. Would you rather have a third party shop perform your avionics upgrade, or....the factory? My KCS55a was installed by Mooney, as was my stormscope, backup AI, and new wiring for my KFC150. At the time, they installed by 430 and MX20. For that matter, they installed and signed off my new upholstery. There was a bit of work done by them...and if they could reasonably bring to market Mooney refresh offerings that were more attractive than shops that are proud and charge a premium, they could stay busy with engine swaps, Avionics installs, k to encore upgrades, prop upgrades, tank reseals without hiring additional staff versus ...slowly..building...14.......planes ...at least until marketing cAtches up Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  14. So if mooney sold 28 airplanes versus 14 they’d be ecstatic. 14. Do you think I want to throw $25m out of my billion to bring in robotics to mooney so that an aircraft company that generates about $12m a year makes $20 if I adjust my pricing? A sunk cost is a sunk cost. The mooney burn rate is insane per copy. Look at EBIDTA. The juice to retool isn’t worth the squeeze and mooney isn’t doing anything to raise demand. Im glad you bring up Icon. I’m pretty comfortable with their approach, business model and challenges - selling a Rotax 912 powered bird, 2 seater, non ifr, garmin 796 equipped copy that went for $189 and now goes for $350 may net you a few more sales, but not many. 44 i believe. No robotics, hand painted, built in Mexico, previously by cirrus, now in Vacaville ... Mooney can’t solve aviation’s low pilot numbers. But they can fix their marketing. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  15. We used to enjoy debate in our culture. Now, people seem offended, insulted, triggered and disgusted with tremendous ease. As we discuss the future of our choice of airplane, here are some interesting numbers I was quoted: over $6,000 to replace a stolen pitot tube. $13,000 to replace an oxygen regulator, factory parts. Sure, I was disgusted. Perhaps even triggered. Knowing the part numbers and original manufacturers helped. When I have to pay with my hard earned dollars for that pitot and regulator, having people demand free things offends me. When I see companies demand and obtain government subsidies at my expense for products I receive no benefit from, pitot tubes and regulators become a bit more expensive. I could deem everything and anything political and offensive. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk