This May Not End Well

[201er]

Kind of surprised to see this guy flying, chatting casually, while making steep banks not more than 30ft off the ground

I set the start time at 5:11. Seeing the ultra low thrill seeking flying he was doing between 5:11-6:00 made me lose my ability to focus on what he's talking about or take him seriously!

I don't know what the rest of the video is about and I could care less about his opinion about another view-soliciting thrill seeker after seeing this.

This reminds me of the Roy Halladay Icon 5 crash after dragging wingtips in the water and similar stuff. Just because it isn't illegal to fly that low doesn't mean it's a safe thing to do.

[201er]

 

 

 

 

[toto]

I follow Trent Palmer too, and I like his channel for the most part. 

My biggest fear tbh is that he’s talking to a non-pilot audience. This type of video runs some risk of creating a generation of experimental taildragger pilots that want to do what Trent does, but don’t have the skills to avoid dying. 

[toto]

Which, as 201er mentioned, is basically “the Icon effect.”

[Will.iam]

He’s doing 60 tops and being that low, ground rush is extreme he’s obviously done this before to be taking to the camera instead of focusing on the flying. I find this way less nerve racking then the pilots that put their wheels on the water and hydroplane. Across a lake. How smooth does the water have to be not to catch a wheel. Does a rogue wake just bump you back up into the air or rip your gear off?

 

[toto]

1 hour ago, Will.iam said:

He’s doing 60 tops and being that low, ground rush is extreme he’s obviously done this before to be taking to the camera instead of focusing on the flying. I find this way less nerve racking then the pilots that put their wheels on the water and hydroplane. Across a lake. How smooth does the water have to be not to catch a wheel. Does a rogue wake just bump you back up into the air or rip your gear off?

 

Yeah Palmer does that too..

 

 

[carusoam]

Are these guys all known as the flying cowboys?

Or did I just lump them all together?

 

Trent Palmer is trying to cut Trevor loose…. 
 

Nice of Trent to fill in the answer of how much dough comes from his YT experience…

I have watched a lot of Mikey Patey videos…

Mike is known to make a bad judgement call and completely destroy his turbine Wilga…

-a-

[toto]

Just now, carusoam said:

Are these guys all known as the flying cowboys?

Or did I just lump them all together?

-a-

Definitely the right group, although I think Palmer is like an honorary member. He's pretty new to aviation and they were doing their thing before he had his Kitfox. 

[AH-1 Cobra Pilot]

13 hours ago, toto said:

Yeah Palmer does that too..

 

 

"I don't 'waterski' because, one, I'm on probation..."

Pretty much says it all.

[A64Pilot]

Not watched the video’s but water skiing as long as you know what your doing isn’t that big a deal. especially with Bushwheels in a light aircraft, it’s very common in the bush community to waterski just before a gravel bar, it can really shorten landing distance.

Google this for some interesting images, a T6 isn’t light and those aren’t bushwheels

T6 texans waterskiing

On edit when the wheels touch there is a bang like you hit hard but didnt.

 

Edited January 21, 2022 by A64Pilot

[David Lloyd]

Too many of my attempts would result in a great big splash.

[A64Pilot]

1 hour ago, David Lloyd said:

Too many of my attempts would result in a great big splash.

We used or have a saying in the Army, before you do something, think how well it will go over with the accident review board.

Kind of tough to justify waterskiing, but it can be fun in the right airplane, I don’t think I would like to try a low wing, and certainly not a nose wheel. My Maule had patroller doors so the tire was in line of sight. I can’t imagine the nose wheel gong into the water would end well?

[BravoWhiskey]

These guys may be able to water ski but I'm pretty sure I own porpoising.

[Unit74]

OP et al.

 

If you are opposed to this guy’s flying, I suppose you are equally offended by the Red Bull circuit as well as every airshow on earth.  It’s gets old listening to the holier than thou crowd.  You sound more like grandma tapping on the Bible on Sunday to me.  

[Patrick Horan]

On 1/20/2022 at 3:06 PM, 201er said:

Kind of surprised to see this guy flying, chatting casually, while making steep banks not more than 30ft off the ground

I set the start time at 5:11. Seeing the ultra low thrill seeking flying he was doing between 5:11-6:00 made me lose my ability to focus on what he's talking about or take him seriously!

I don't know what the rest of the video is about and I could care less about his opinion about another view-soliciting thrill seeker after seeing this.

This reminds me of the Roy Halladay Icon 5 crash after dragging wingtips in the water and similar stuff. Just because it isn't illegal to fly that low doesn't mean it's a safe thing to do.

Are you really complaining on Trent's flying? Why do people feel the need to be mightier than others. He's safe at that altitude and he didnt do anything wrong. You should be focusing on the Trevor idiot who Trent is talking about in this video. He's the real danger to aviation. Not Trent's having. 

[Patrick Horan]

47 minutes ago, Unit74 said:

OP et al.

 

If you are opposed to this guy’s flying, I suppose you are equally offended by the Red Bull circuit as well as every airshow on earth.  It’s gets old listening to the holier than thou crowd.  You sound more like grandma tapping on the Bible on Sunday to me.  

Couldn't have said it any better. If you only fly within your limits. You can never grow or expand them. Now, I'm not saying to buzz residential areas. But flying low over a wide open field with no terrain or property is not dangerous and should not he called out on it.

[larryb]

[larryb]

[201er]

7 minutes ago, larryb said:

 

Now that’s one place where you are more likely to get killed when you step out of the airplane…. no matter what the pilot does.

[Ragsf15e]

When I did low level flying it was awesome!  500kts, 500’, day or night, 135 degrees of bank max when doing ridge crossing.  The keys are training and planning and staying legal.  When done right it might be a little more risky than 2500’ cruise but not terribly.  The problem is when it’s not planned out well it’s real dangerous (eg. powerlines) and we all get a bad name.  I know a guy who was flying a river at 50 ft and hit a wire crossing the river.  It went just over the wing of his brand new -172 and caught the tail.  Bent the entire empennage back. Somehow it didn’t pitch him down enough to hit the water.  He lived.  You really got to do some good planning to know what obstacles exist along your route.

[skydvrboy]

On 1/20/2022 at 5:15 PM, bluehighwayflyer said:

As the old saying goes, though, you can only tie the record for the world’s lowest pass.

I'm not sure why, but I just couldn't stop laughing when I read this.

15 hours ago, Patrick Horan said:

If you only fly within your limits. You can never grow or expand them.

Firm believer in this.  I think we should all be pushing our limits until we find what they are, but the real challenge is doing it safely, as you mentioned.  I've done some low level flying, but I only do it one of two areas over open water or along the route I drive to/from work every day.  Scope it out from the ground first and know if there are obstacles and exactly where they're located.  Another example is practicing short field landings and takeoffs on longer runways until you can nail your landing every time in a known distance.  Then go use those skills!

[carusoam]

See where this fits on the insurance application…

Paved runway, unpaved runway, unimproved runway, water…

Tire details… Giant diameter, really wide, slicks, with brakes on….
 

Pilot details… wheels In view of the pilot, pilot skilled in the maneuver, pilot really smooth with known power settings…. Pilot has a back-up plane.

PP thoughts only,

-a-

[carusoam]

Watching A64’s video…

One of the planes hits something on the water, or something gets freed from the plane….

around 32 seconds into the video, it looks like a piece of styrofoam flying…

-a-
 

 

[aviatoreb]

2 hours ago, carusoam said:

Watching A64’s video…

One of the planes hits something on the water, or something gets freed from the plane….

around 32 seconds into the video, it looks like a piece of styrofoam flying…

-a-
 

 

A FISH?!

[thinwing]

On 1/20/2022 at 2:06 PM, 201er said:

Kind of surprised to see this guy flying, chatting casually, while making steep banks not more than 30ft off the ground

I set the start time at 5:11. Seeing the ultra low thrill seeking flying he was doing between 5:11-6:00 made me lose my ability to focus on what he's talking about or take him seriously!

I don't know what the rest of the video is about and I could care less about his opinion about another view-soliciting thrill seeker after seeing this.

This reminds me of the Roy Halladay Icon 5 crash after dragging wingtips in the water and similar stuff. Just because it isn't illegal to fly that low doesn't mean it's a safe thing to do.

Trent has flown this route north of Reno nv so many times he could probably do it blind fold.Every oct (17/18 )the have a stol race on dry lake bed .Ive attended a few times and in between races ,its common to have a flyout and landing at different sites such as moutain tops smooth enough to land on with 20 in tires,Ocasionally someone mis judges and screws up a landing and that is end of what they are flying.Last 2 times Ive seen damaged planes that I wondered how they were going to remove them.The event has gotten pretty big ,with folks flying in everthing up to business jets.Anyway ,Mike,Trent would be the first to tell you ,he couldnt fly IFR like you do ,what he does is just a practiced skill with the knowlege that if he screws up ,no insurence is going to cover a ground loop on a dirt road,meadow or mountain top.