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Marauder Grand Master

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Just saw this, hoping it's not one of my friends here. But some of ya'll live in the area, and others of ya'll have been known to visit both fields mentioned here . . . .
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-military-intercepts-small-aircraft-restricted-airspace-biden-home
 


Older couple from New York returning home from Ocean City Maryland. TFR was in place late Saturday and they passed through area okay on Saturday before it went up.

On the return trip Sunday, they caught both the outer and inner rings.

F16 had to release flares to get their attention. Landed at my airport and stayed the night after the Secret Service got done with them.


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GeeBee Grand Master

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I departed KMTN on Sunday, and the ATIS broadcast had the TFR on the broadcast, which I thought was helpful even though I was not going that direction and I was IFR anyway. In that area, I am always IFR or at the very least flight followed.

One of the funniest of these I heard was on guard as I was working my way down the east coast. It was a SFRA violation and the interceptor was trying to get hold of the  aircraft for about 10 minutes. Then you hear this:

Aircraft: Hello? This is N12345 are you trying to get me?

Interceptor: Affirmitive, you are in violation of the Washington DC SFRA, follow me

Aircraft: I'm a student pilot on cross country from Winchester......I'm lost.....I want to return to Winchester

Interceptor: Negative...We are landing you at Fredrickburg

Aircraft: But...but I want to go back to Winchester!

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MooneyMitch Grand Master

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2 hours ago, GeeBee said:

Aircraft: I'm a student pilot on cross country from Winchester......I'm lost.....I want to return to Winchester

Interceptor: Negative...We are landing you at Fredrickburg

Aircraft: But...but I want to go back to Winchester!

Bless his/her little heart ....:)

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N201MKTurbo Grand Master

N201MKTurbo

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8 hours ago, jaylw314 said:

IIRC the DOD paid about $40 each flare about 4 years ago

I can't imagine they are that cheap. I knew about two years ago. 

That is about right. It looks like the F16 carries a box of 30 flares, It is about a grand if they fire them all.

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MIm20c Grand Master

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1 hour ago, ZuluZulu said:

What’s the story (if any) behind that photo? Who took it, is this the same incident, and do you have the full size? :)

It would probably be easier to just toss in your camera and head for for a red circle on the map.  You could get some really nice pics…

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jaylw314 Grand Master

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2 hours ago, N201MKTurbo said:

I can't imagine they are that cheap. I knew about two years ago. 

That is about right. It looks like the F16 carries a box of 30 flares, It is about a grand if they fire them all.

I play DCS a lot, and while I get a little pang of guilt when the A-10 gets damaged, I don't feel any guilt when I dump a bazillion flares :D

It's crazy there's something that costs less than one AMU on a fighter jet!

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N201MKTurbo Grand Master

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2 hours ago, jaylw314 said:

I play DCS a lot, and while I get a little pang of guilt when the A-10 gets damaged, I don't feel any guilt when I dump a bazillion flares :D

It's crazy there's something that costs less than one AMU on a fighter jet!

I was going to tell you what they were made of but I'm under an NDA. This article isn't. It is accurate.

https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/systems/flares.htm

 

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BKlott Proficient

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3 hours ago, Nick Pilotte said:

Didn’t some early Bonanzas have a flare tube or something like it?  I think some of the 37mm smoke or flare shells would be “pretty awesome”.  

They were fairly common on aircraft back in the 1940s. There were three flares in a row and you will also see them on the early, North American built Navions as well.

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EricJ Grand Master

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3 hours ago, Nick Pilotte said:

Didn’t some early Bonanzas have a flare tube or something like it?  I think some of the 37mm smoke or flare shells would be “pretty awesome”.  

The 1959 C-182 our flying club had when I was a teenager had them.    I couldn't figure out what they were good for, as they shot out one side of the fuselage (iirc, I think there were three of them).    If it wasn't pointed upward after your crash, they wouldn't be very useful, and I'm not sure what good they were before a crash.

My recollection is that even then (mid-1970s) the actual flares were depopulated and just the tubes and brackets and support hardware were left.

 

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carusoam Grand Master

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I think...?

Flairs were at one time used as a windsock...

If the runway didn’t have a sock... drop a flair.

Three, because the chance of having the first one land where you want it... probably wasn’t so good...

PP old memory only, no actual experience or knowledge on this one.

Best regards,

-a-

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cliffy Grand Master

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Sorry guys but most of you are wrong on the "FLARES" 

They were used to light up the sky and the airport at night for a night landing at an un-lighted airport (which most airports were 70 years ago) much like the military does when the fire night time parachute FLARES to light up a battle field at night.

You flew over the airport at about a 1000-1500 ft (IIRC) and dropped a FLARE After which you had about 2-3 minutes of light to land by (you had 3 chances to succeed !   Regular everyday pilots were good at it back in the day.  Now, today.  if we don't have a full ILS system with ALS III lighting and touch down zone lights and a PAPI we get "scared" to land there at night.  Night flying even back in the early 60s was a lot different than it is today.  

Obviously one didn't fly a Boeing 747 pattern like many do today and go 4 miles down wind. I can fly a 737 inside most of the Cessna and Mooney patterns I see today around untowered airports. 

What ever happened to "keep it in close"?

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kortopates Grand Master

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i couldn’t agree more about the wide and extended B747 patterns flown today by so many trainers and light aircraft! but don’t get me started.
great story on the flares - would have never guessed that!


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MooneyMitch Grand Master

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44 minutes ago, kortopates said:

i couldn’t agree more about the wide and extended B747 patterns flown today by so many trainers and light aircraft! but don’t get me started.


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Not trying to get you started, but are those that fly the pattern in their long bodies as if it were a 747!
Ridiculous!! :lol:
 

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cliffy Grand Master

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When I got my PPL I used to practice in a Cessna 150 by going to idle and pulling 40 flaps (Charlie Strongarm flap system) abeam the numbers on downwind at 1,000' and stay at idle through touchdown (flaps 40) practicing power off spot landings on the numbers.

How close do you think that pattern was? 

BTW this was at KVNY 16L

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