G500 install

[Alan Fox]

I am getting temped to take a closer look at the G500 for my plane , Does the G500 have GPSS and can it be married to a Century III, Is 20K a realistic goal for that system , Should I Trade the 530W down to a 430W to free up space to put the autopilot control in the center stack and put the JPI830 over the control arm (Beech) ..... Any input would be appreciated....

[carusoam]

Tough choices...

The GTN with remote audio and transponder would be a nice space saver.

The G500 vs. Aspen would be the next question.

If funds are limited with a one piece per year. I would be inclined to go Aspen, one piece at a time until my panel looked like Craig's.

If I had $50k all at once and no college bills in the future, something resembling the G1000 Mooney Ovation3 would be nice.

Otherwise adding Waas approaches and GPSS would be additions to what I currently have.

Alan, your upgrades regarding the beach will weigh more than the same upgrades in a Mooney, and will result in going slower for some unknown reason. You may consider testing out the upgrades in the E before applying them to the Beach. Just sayin'

Best regards,

-a-

[Piloto]

Do not swap the G530 for a G430, you will regret it. Besides the G530 bigger screen there are other features in the G530 not available on the G430. I have flown both and I could never get used to the G430 small cluttered display and the need to zoom in out constanly on the G430.

 

José

[Alan Fox]

Yes buy Jose' isnt everything going to be up on the G500 ??? 

[Marauder]

I am getting temped to take a closer look at the G500 for my plane , Does the G500 have GPSS and can it be married to a Century III, Is 20K a realistic goal for that system , Should I Trade the 530W down to a 430W to free up space to put the autopilot control in the center stack and put the JPI830 over the control arm (Beech) ..... Any input would be appreciated....

You will need to check with the installer on the compatibility of interfacing the autopilot. At a minimum you will need either a GAD 43 or GAD 43e. I would plan on spending some quality consulting time with the avionics shops to fully understand what will or won't interface. I looked hard at both the G500/600 and the Aspens before going with the Aspen PFD/MFD combo. The Garmin setup will require the panel to be modified (cut). When you start getting quotes, let us know what they are proposing. As I posted in other threads, I thought I did a good job of understanding the options, but the flexibility of these systems are pretty amazing. I think some of the shops either were lazy or did not know of all the interface options. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[M016576]

Do not swap the G530 for a G430, you will regret it. Besides the G530 bigger screen there are other features in the G530 not available on the G430. I have flown both and I could never get used to the G430 small cluttered display and the need to zoom in out constanly on the G430.

 

José

 

530 is for sure nicer than the 430 but with the G500 going in, I'd be OK with "downgrading" to the 430W since you'll primarily be interfacing with the MFD vice the 430W/530W's screen.

 

a cheaper solution would be to just swap out the 530 for a 750, and forget about a new PFD. 

 

Or if you're dead set on a digital PFD, buy the Aspen and upgrade the 530 to a 750.  That 750 is a sweet GPS / MFD.  It makes the MFD portion of the G500 unnecessary (IMHO).  With the Aspen type setup, a MFD gets you a second AHRS (not that it's really needed, but could be a nice to have) if you feel so inclined to have multiple MFD's in your aircraft.  If not, you can keep your panel (and your scan) a little less cluttered.

 

I've re-thought my stance on the Aspen 1000 PFD since the introduction of the 650/750... it now provides the ONLY option for a digital PFD without the extraneous MFD (unless you want it) if you're installing a 650/750.

[Oscar Avalle]

530 is for sure nicer than the 430 but with the G500 going in, I'd be OK with "downgrading" to the 430W since you'll primarily be interfacing with the MFD vice the 430W/530W's screen.

 

a cheaper solution would be to just swap out the 530 for a 750, and forget about a new PFD. 

 

Or if you're dead set on a digital PFD, buy the Aspen and upgrade the 530 to a 750.  That 750 is a sweet GPS / MFD.  It makes the MFD portion of the G500 unnecessary (IMHO).  With the Aspen type setup, a MFD gets you a second AHRS (not that it's really needed, but could be a nice to have) if you feel so inclined to have multiple MFD's in your aircraft.  If not, you can keep your panel (and your scan) a little less cluttered.

 

I've re-thought my stance on the Aspen 1000 PFD since the introduction of the 650/750... it now provides the ONLY option for a digital PFD without the extraneous MFD (unless you want it) if you're installing a 650/750.

I agree. This was my rationale too for the ASPEN and a 750.

 

Oscar

[Marauder]

Do not swap the G530 for a G430, you will regret it. Besides the G530 bigger screen there are other features in the G530 not available on the G430. I have flown both and I could never get used to the G430 small cluttered display and the need to zoom in out constanly on the G430. José 530 is for sure nicer than the 430 but with the G500 going in, I'd be OK with "downgrading" to the 430W since you'll primarily be interfacing with the MFD vice the 430W/530W's screen. a cheaper solution would be to just swap out the 530 for a 750, and forget about a new PFD. Or if you're dead set on a digital PFD, buy the Aspen and upgrade the 530 to a 750. That 750 is a sweet GPS / MFD. It makes the MFD portion of the G500 unnecessary (IMHO). With the Aspen type setup, a MFD gets you a second AHRS (not that it's really needed, but could be a nice to have) if you feel so inclined to have multiple MFD's in your aircraft. If not, you can keep your panel (and your scan) a little less cluttered. I've re-thought my stance on the Aspen 1000 PFD since the introduction of the 650/750... it now provides the ONLY option for a digital PFD without the extraneous MFD (unless you want it) if you're installing a 650/750.

I agree since the 650/750 introductions, there is a lot of flexibility in the way you can go. For me, I like redundancy, so opting for the 650 with the MFD gave me full reversion capability including an AP switchover capability during reversion. Like I mentioned above, getting good consulting time with these shops should steering you down the path that is most important to you. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[mooniac58]

The great thing to consider with Aspens is a second MFD1000 is a fully redundant PFD in the event your PFD1000 fails.  What this means is you can go without a backup airspeed indicator and altimeter - at this time a backup AI is still required though - I went with a RC Allen LCD digital gyro which allowed me to completely remove the vacuum from my aircraft (the Mooney type cert luckily permits this as many aircraft such as most Pipers did not have the foresight for this).

 
If you are considering Aspen at all I have attached a pic of my panel layout for reference
 
Another cool think is the new Aspen connected panel which allows you to beam the flight plan on your iPad running ForeFlight to your flight deck.  Been a long time since I have "clicked" in a waypoint on my 430W
 
And the comments above are correct - you won't care if you have a 430W/530W once you have a glass panel - it is only used for inputting your flight plan and tuning radio freqs - after that you really won't be looking at it as everything is going to be on your MFD(s) regardless of if you have a G500 or Aspen system.

 

http://mooneyspace.com/gallery/image/33700-new-ipad-mini-mount/

 

http://mooneyspace.com/gallery/image/31644-new-aspen-svt-in-action/

 

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[Oscar Avalle]

The great thing to consider with Aspens is a second MFD1000 is a fully redundant PFD in the event your PFD1000 fails.  What this means is you can go without a backup airspeed indicator and altimeter - at this time a backup AI is still required though - I went with a RC Allen LCD digital gyro which allowed me to completely remove the vacuum from my aircraft (the Mooney type cert luckily permits this as many aircraft such as most Pipers did not have the foresight for this).

 

If you are considering Aspen at all I have attached a pic of my panel layout for reference

 

Another cool think is the new Aspen connected panel which allows you to beam the flight plan on your iPad running ForeFlight to your flight deck.  Been a long time since I have "clicked" in a waypoint on my 430W

 

And the comments above are correct - you won't care if you have a 430W/530W once you have a glass panel - it is only used for inputting your flight plan and tuning radio freqs - after that you really won't be looking at it as everything is going to be on your MFD(s) regardless of if you have a G500 or Aspen system.

 

One question: How did you get used to not looking at your altimeter... and airspeed indicator? I am so used to looking at them that I am really not using the indicators on the ASPEN. Any advice. Did you cover them up? 

[Marauder]

The great thing to consider with Aspens is a second MFD1000 is a fully redundant PFD in the event your PFD1000 fails. What this means is you can go without a backup airspeed indicator and altimeter - at this time a backup AI is still required though - I went with a RC Allen LCD digital gyro which allowed me to completely remove the vacuum from my aircraft (the Mooney type cert luckily permits this as many aircraft such as most Pipers did not have the foresight for this). If you are considering Aspen at all I have attached a pic of my panel layout for reference Another cool think is the new Aspen connected panel which allows you to beam the flight plan on your iPad running ForeFlight to your flight deck. Been a long time since I have "clicked" in a waypoint on my 430W And the comments above are correct - you won't care if you have a 430W/530W once you have a glass panel - it is only used for inputting your flight plan and tuning radio freqs - after that you really won't be looking at it as everything is going to be on your MFD(s) regardless of if you have a G500 or Aspen system. One question: How did you get used to not looking at your altimeter... and airspeed indicator? I am so used to looking at them that I am really not using the indicators on the ASPEN. Any advice. Did you cover them up?

Oscar -- this was by far the hardest thing for me to transition from. I did cover them up until I got comfortable using them as the primary. Wth them uncovered, I still on occasion find myself looking at the ASI when landing just because of habit. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[mooniac58]

I transitioned pretty easily - I did not have to cover anything up because my backup altimeter and airspeed are another aspen - the only "backup" I have is the LCD RC Allen Attitude Indicator.

 

I did not fly any kind of IFR for about 20 hours after doing the Aspen glass upgrade.  Both to get my brain conditioned to the digital representations plus to make sure the hardware was sound.

 

Once you are in the groove of using an ADHARs instead of "steam gauges" there is no going back.  With my remote JPI engine analyzer display (which shows RPM/MP as well as alerts for any engine param out of tolerances) I literally have my entire scan confined to a 4"x4" area.

[Marauder]

I transitioned pretty easily - I did not have to cover anything up because my backup altimeter and airspeed are another aspen - the only "backup" I have is the LCD RC Allen Attitude Indicator. I did not fly any kind of IFR for about 20 hours after doing the Aspen glass upgrade. Both to get my brain conditioned to the digital representations plus to make sure the hardware was sound. Once you are in the groove of using an ADHARs instead of "steam gauges" there is no going back. With my remote JPI engine analyzer display (which shows RPM/MP as well as alerts for any engine param out of tolerances) I literally have my entire scan confined to a 4"x4" area.

How do you like the 3rd unit? And more importantly, what do you use it for? Can you load up the approach plates on it? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[rbp]

reviving this topic.

 

have any of you considered the certified version of the Garmin G5 as a backup? its only $2K

[Amelia]

I had decided that G5 would be my Christmas present to The airplane, but my avionics guy says it isn't compatible with the king autopilot and slaved compass. Well, shoot. So, I asked, how about that gorgeous slide-in Avidyne 540 replacement for the Garmin 530W? Hmph, he snorted. Just spent four hours chasing down a software issue, he said. Sure is hard to spend money around here. Next on the wish list is the in/out adsb. Wonder what's the best bang for those bucks.

[jetdriven]

The 540 is a very good upgrade to a 530W owner. I've seen it in person and it's fantastic, not terribly expensive either. 

[gsxrpilot]

3 hours ago, rbp said:

have any of you considered the certified version of the Garmin G5 as a backup? its only $2K

I've thought the same thing. As a backup electric AI, I don't need it to drive the autopilot or HSI. I'd just like to have an electric AI backup.

[LANCECASPER]

On 11/12/2016 at 5:00 PM, Amelia said:

I had decided that G5 would be my Christmas present to The airplane, but my avionics guy says it isn't compatible with the king autopilot and slaved compass. Well, shoot. So, I asked, how about that gorgeous slide-in Avidyne 540 replacement for the Garmin 530W? Hmph, he snorted. Just spent four hours chasing down a software issue, he said. Sure is hard to spend money around here. Next on the wish list is the in/out adsb. Wonder what's the best bang for those bucks.

You don't need the avionics guy to even help you with this one. You can legally self swap the Garmin 530 for the Avidyne 540. You'll be happy you did. You can sell the Garmin for about 75% of the cost of the Avidyne and you'll move into the 21st century.

http://forums.avidyne.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1066&title=self-exchange-of-ifd540s-and-440s

[Amelia]

Thanks, Lance! Sounds like a plan, but I am timid, being one who recites, out loud, "lefty-loosey, righty- tighty," before attempting to operate a flat head screwdriver.  I'll do some reading.