New Garmin Radios

[Tim-37419]

Who says a radio can’t be sexy? But I think a LHS is my next investment.

 

https://www.garmin.com/en-US/p/721525/?utm_source=Americas&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=en-US Delivery%2C GLOBAL-AVN-ANMT-MCJT66092-GNC215GTR205Announcement
 

 

[KSMooniac]

They are pretty, but that price on the NAV/COM version will take your breath away.

[laytonl]

Why would they even build this?  Nav is quickly going away.  Lee

[LANCECASPER]

38 minutes ago, laytonl said:

Why would they even build this?  Nav is quickly going away.  Lee

Planned GPS testing goes on all over the country every month. Here were the areas for last June: https://www.navcen.uscg.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/GPS_Interference.pdf

If GPS is jammed, being interference tested, out of service, etc. I want a NAV receiver to get me down. 

[OR75]

4 hours ago, laytonl said:

Why would they even build this?  Nav is quickly going away.  Lee

that should be a concern to GA if it does.

the airlines will be fine with GPS - INS no matter what 

i personally  believe the wrong choice was made in shutting down a few Loran stations instead of trying to keep hundreds of VORs      

[McMooney]

10 hours ago, laytonl said:

Why would they even build this?  Nav is quickly going away.  Lee

Totally agree, the new comm is reasonably priced but the 215 with nav is just crazy expensive, guess that's what lack of competition and open wallets gets us

[eman1200]

too mucho dinero

[haymak3r]

Would be a nice replacement to my old kns80 and ky197.

 

[LANCECASPER]

6 hours ago, McMooney said:

Totally agree, the new comm is reasonably priced but the 215 with nav is just crazy expensive, guess that's what lack of competition and open wallets gets us

At first glance I thought the same, but consider what a KX165 sold for 40 years ago and what those dollars were worth then vs. 2024. This also has many more features built in. Also consider what the Apollo SL30 NavCom sold for 20 years ago (+/- $5000), and the fact that they still bring close to $3000 used.

The new Garmin COM radio seems very reasonable. For a brand new Garmin NavCom the new unit is probably priced where it should be. I'd rather gamble on that than a 20 year old SL30 for close to $3000.

[mhrivnak]

17 hours ago, LANCECASPER said:

If GPS is jammed, being interference tested, out of service, etc. I want a NAV receiver to get me down. 

Or if my GPS navigator fails in the clouds. A backup NAV can always get me to a runway and is a lot cheaper than having an extra certified GPS.

[Mark89114]

21 hours ago, KSMooniac said:

They are pretty, but that price on the NAV/COM version will take your breath away.

I am getting a new 750.....that price seems cheap unfortunately....

[McMooney]

3 hours ago, mhrivnak said:

Or if my GPS navigator fails in the clouds. A backup NAV can always get me to a runway and is a lot cheaper than having an extra certified GPS.

only 2k less than a 355 and it's the same install

[mhrivnak]

10 minutes ago, McMooney said:

only 2k less than a 355 and it's the same install

It probably needs its own GPS antenna though, right? And another database subscription?

The 355 as NAV2 would definitely give you more options in case NAV1 failed. You could probably continue your flight uninterrupted and would have access to a lot more approaches. If my NAV1 fails in the clouds, I'll be asking for vectors to an ILS. But considering how rare that (hopefully!) would be, I'm happy with the less-expensive and simpler NAV/COM that may never go obsolete in my flying career.

[hammdo]

Kx155 is my backup with its own indicator. I think I’d go with the BK slide in replacement if I needed to upgrade…

https://aerospace.honeywell.com/us/en/products-and-services/product/hardware-and-systems/navigation-and-radios/kx-200

-Don

[LANCECASPER]

1 hour ago, McMooney said:

only 2k less than a 355 and it's the same install

The 355 would be just as useless as the #1 GPS in a GPS outage.

[jetdriven]

2 hours ago, hammdo said:

Kx155 is my backup with its own indicator. I think I’d go with the BK slide in replacement if I needed to upgrade…

https://aerospace.honeywell.com/us/en/products-and-services/product/hardware-and-systems/navigation-and-radios/kx-200

-Don

vaporware. And the user interface is awful too. plus the price is 5100$, which is basically the same as a garmin radio

 

[McMooney]

3 hours ago, LANCECASPER said:

The 355 would be just as useless as the #1 GPS in a GPS outage.

shrug, at this point i'd rather have 2 gps and 1 nav over 2 nav,  plus if gps actually goes out for something other than some random testing,  i'm gonna bet vor/ils won't be much good at that point either

[47U]

8 hours ago, LANCECASPER said:

The new Garmin COM radio seems very reasonable. For a brand new Garmin NavCom the new unit is probably priced where it should be. I'd rather gamble on that than a 20 year old SL30 for close to $3000.

A new Trig TX56A is only 1.3” high (same as the SL30) and is .8 amu cheaper than the new Garmin and (only) 1.5 amu more than the 20 year old SL30.  If you lack space in the center stack the Trig might be an option for you.  But, interface to Garmin equipment is probably limited to driving a CDI, I’m guessing. 

[LANCECASPER]

54 minutes ago, McMooney said:

shrug, at this point i'd rather have 2 gps and 1 nav over 2 nav,  plus if gps actually goes out for something other than some random testing,  i'm gonna bet vor/ils won't be much good at that point either

Of course. I was just replying to someone who implied than having any nav is not worth it. I want one nav just in case.

 

GPS is satellite based and vor/ils is ground based. GPS testing doesn't affect vor/ils. That was all part of the next gen plan - to leave backups for the satellite nav.

 

[Andy95W]

7 hours ago, 47U said:

A new Trig TX56A is only 1.3” high (same as the SL30) and is .8 amu cheaper than the new Garmin and (only) 1.5 amu more than the 20 year old SL30.  If you lack space in the center stack the Trig might be an option for you.  But, interface to Garmin equipment is probably limited to driving a CDI, I’m guessing. 

I installed a Trig TX-56A and love it. It has an SL30 interface emulator so it can drive a G5 or 275. I didn’t do that, I connected it to my old KI-209 because I wanted a completely independent NAV system.

The Trig COM is top-notch and even includes a 10 second replay button. 

[glbtrottr]

A kitten dies every time someone installs Garmin product. If they make a new version of the old version, they intentionally switch pins around to create avionics installer revenues. No reason the 430–>650 upgrade should have required so many pinout changes, or the 327–>330–>335–>345 install, let alone differences between the gdl82/84 and the GTX family.

The SL30 which was a great piece of equipment until the Garmin monopoly purchased the Iimorrow/apollo/upsat company and drove them out of business still lives strong 30 years later. I’d rather buy an SL30 than Garmin if I can help it.

If I want to buy new, the Trig is an awesome option to install. I’m always happy to install them for customers - and as someone else said, the SL30 emulation for course tuning works great.


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[Ragsf15e]

According to the garmin and Trig websites they are both 1.3” tall units which is the same as an SL30. Garmin also has the gnc255a nav com which is similar priced to the Trig and same size.  I wonder if they did the new one just to get some fancy colors on the screen?  

Edited February 2 by Ragsf15e

[Pinecone]

255 is 1.6 inches high.

[Ragsf15e]

4 hours ago, Pinecone said:

255 is 1.6 inches high.

Yeah, I thought i saw 1.3” on the Garmin website, but you’re right.  
 

The new one is 1.3” so does compete with the trig and sl30.

[Pinecone]

I know this because it came up on BT also.

It may be wrong somewhere online.