Back outside or not?

[bonal]

I'm usually not one to float an issue for opinion but I am faced with a dallima. The hangar I am renting was just sold. I was sharing the space with a C182 that was owned by a deceased pilot so it never got moved. The new owner of the hangar has a Grumman tiger (nice and small) it's being worked on and won't be home till next year. The space is big enough for 2 but requires moving the front plane out for access to the rear. The Tiger is easy to move so not such a big deal. Here is the problem. The Cessna just got sold and the new owner wants to keep it right there and when the Tiger comes home one of us will have to clear out. I can't decide which is worse moving back outside or having someone messing around with my airplane every time they want to fly. And if I'm in back then I'm having to move that big ass SUV of an airplane out the way. I'm leaning in the direction of just saying F it and going back outside till I can find another option. This is not about the money for the rent there aren't any available hangars.

Or maybe I should be a real prick and let the FAA know about all the non aviation storage going on there. So what say you damage from the weather or from a roommate

[Browncbr1]

I would think that the insurance savings from being in a hangar would pay for any possible repairs that the 182 owner might cause and not pay for. plus you won't be bothered by frost. Or maybe you could take the back slot. For me, tie downs just aren't a consideration. Just my 2 cents

[Hank]

I was in a box hangar with a 182 for a while. Moving that was tiresome, but he flew infrequently and didn't mind being in the back. I flew 1-2X per week. He moved out and an A36 moved in, also usually in the back, and I could not. I've it by myself when it was in front. He owned the hangar, though.

He often moved my plane to get his bass boat from the back wall--move me out, pull out the boat, put me back; after fishing, he'd pull me out again, put the boat on the back wall and put me back in again. Never had a problem with it, but it does depend heavily on who is moving your plane and how often.

Good luck!

[John Pleisse]

I recently put my bird back outside. Getting a hangar in the DC area is like winning the lottery, then entry level rent begins at $400 per mo. Here is what you will be enjoying, before you decide to give up your hangar:

 

1) FULL pre-flight action....every single time

2) Frost and ice on your wings making early morn departures tough

3) Worry over water in your gasoline

4) No access to electric for engine pre-heating

5) People seeing all of your fancy GPS antenna's, then deciding to take a peak under the cover

6) Cover, and plugs for front and rear openings

7) UV Damage to glass. Most covers aren't even SPF 50

8) Worry over risk of hail and wind damage.

9) Quantifiable acceleration of paint wear.

 

This was just my first week outside in November. Can you sublet for a year while waiting for your bird?

[1964-M20E]

Who decides which one of you moves out? I there some type of tug available?

Being outside is not the end of the world. However, being in a hangar makes owner performed maintenance much easier and more comfortable. If the economics remain pretty much the same then stay there and work out who gets the front slot.

I think most owners would be more careful with your plane than a typical lineman.

[ArtVandelay]

Most of 4352H's concerns can be addressed by using a full set of covers, wings and all.

[Hank]

I recently put my bird back outside. Getting a hangar in the DC area is like winning the lottery, then entry level rent begins at $400 per mo. Here is what you will be enjoying, before you decide to give up your hangar:

 

1) FULL pre-flight action....every single time

2) Frost and ice on your wings making early morn departures tough

3) Worry over water in your gasoline

4) No access to electric for engine pre-heating

5) People seeing all of your fancy GPS antenna's, then deciding to take a peak under the cover

6) Cover, and plugs for front and rear openings

7) UV Damage to glass. Most covers aren't even SPF 50

8) Worry over risk of hail and wind damage.

9) Quantifiable acceleration of paint wear.

 

This was just my first week outside in November. Can you sublet for a year while waiting for your bird?

When I relocated earlier this year, I was on the ramp for just two months. You will need to allow extra time to remove your cover and untie the plane, remember to pull the chocks, then tie down and cover after you return. Putting on a canopy cover in 5-8 knot wind by yourself is not an easy task, and higher winds will require a helper; who is around the airport? My new home was always empty, now my new hangared home is also frequently empty but hangar access is simple and easy.

I worried every time a thunderstorm came through, but not much about anyone peeking under the cover since the field was fenced with a badge swipe required to get inside. What security exists at your field? Where I was before didn't have a fence, which I liked.

[Mooneymite]

I would suggest staying put and seeing how it all plays out. So much of the good/bad will depend on what kind of people you're dealing with. The longer you stay put, the better the chance another hangar may become available.

[Jim Peace]

Here is what you will be enjoying, before you decide to give up your hangar:

 

1) FULL pre-flight action....every single time

 

Yeah, why would you want to do that.

[bonal]

Already met the new owner of the hangar and with the Tiger being much smaller and with him not flying near as much as I do things looked like they were going to work out fine. The unknown is the guy that just bought the 182 that wants to keep it in there. Well Were going to get together on Sunday to see what's up.

I spent 5 years outside just over a year with the Mooney so I know all to well the issues listed above. Guess I will wait and see what Sunday brings. Just thought I'd put it out there for some of your thoughts on the matter. If some one messes up your airplane while moving it is it just by agreement on compensation for repairs. Should we put something in writing get it notorised I hate those kind of things but it's the world we live in.

[Wakeup]

I'm finally moving to Roanoke, VA in January and I'm facing the same problem. Hangers are $375/ month and they have covered spaces that are open in the front for $165/month. I'm used to having my plane in a hanger and not sure about an open hanger. It's hard for me to justify almost $400/month for my old plane. Anyone store there planes in an open hanger like I'm talking about? The only other option is driving an hour for a cheap hanger. . Thanks. Troy

[Parker_Woodruff]

I kept my M20J outside in Texas for almost two years. Had a couple later departures because of frost, but that's all...

[carl]

I once was in a multi use hanger . I gave the line guy a case of beer to get my plane out. I did that once. From then on my plane was out and ready to go , it was like I gave him a million dollars. he said no one ever even thanked him before. 

 

now I found a private T hanger . I have to pull it out myself. what was I thinking?

[Wakeup]

I'm just curious of anyone has been in a 3 sided covered type hanger ? Sounds like the front is open. I haven't personally seen them yet. Thanks Troy

[DrBill]

I'm finally moving to Roanoke, VA in January and I'm facing the same problem. Hangers are $375/ month and they have covered spaces that are open in the front for $165/month. I'm used to having my plane in a hanger and not sure about an open hanger. It's hard for me to justify almost $400/month for my old plane. Anyone store there planes in an open hanger like I'm talking about? The only other option is driving an hour for a cheap hanger. . Thanks. Troy

We have 40 planes at 8A6 that are covered but open front and back.   All my friends are happy and a few spent the money (c $5k) to close it in and have a canvas door made.  They lose that $ when they leave. One thing nice about it is that you have your own space and are free to come and go without moving someone else s plane. The rent here for the open jobs is $160/mo. Same price if you happen to need one when a guy with a closed in one leaves ! Some guys have "sold" their closed in hangar for a few $K.

ROA is big and I don't think they would allow you to close it in but it would not hurt to ask.

BILL

PS say hi to my son who flys Dash8s out of there for Piedmont... His name is Will.

[TTaylor]

If you decide to share you might consider buying a nice motorized tug that is shared in the hanger. That will make any aircraft movements easier and safer. Also good floor lines and placement markers can help minimize potential for hanger rash.

[bonal]

Actually there is a tug for the Cessna damn thing is as big as hell I don't know if it works or not but its not the cessna I'm worried about even though it's a pain in the ass if I have to move it I know I won't cause it any damage that's just the way I am. It's the other guy moving mine in and out that's got me freaked out.

[ArtVandelay]

I'm finally moving to Roanoke, VA in January and I'm facing the same problem. Hangers are $375/ month and they have covered spaces that are open in the front for $165/month. I'm used to having my plane in a hanger and not sure about an open hanger. It's hard for me to justify almost $400/month for my old plane. Anyone store there planes in an open hanger like I'm talking about? The only other option is driving an hour for a cheap hanger. . Thanks. Troy

A 3rd option is to buy a Cessna 150 and use it to "commute" to your Mooney in the cheap hanger.

[bonal]

For me it's not about the money there just aren't any available hangars. I'll just have to see what the options are regarding the Cessna 182.

[Wakeup]

It's all about the money to me Troy

[bonal]

Let me rephrase that. I can afford the rent the concern is damage that is possible or likely to happen. I mean how do you guys cope with others moving your aicraft. I know they get moved around during annuals and by FBO's but at least you have some measure of control over that.

[Bravoman]

I'm usually not one to float an issue for opinion but I am faced with a dallima. The hangar I am renting was just sold. I was sharing the space with a C182 that was owned by a deceased pilot so it never got moved. The new owner of the hangar has a Grumman tiger (nice and small) it's being worked on and won't be home till next year. The space is big enough for 2 but requires moving the front plane out for access to the rear. The Tiger is easy to move so not such a big deal. Here is the problem. The Cessna just got sold and the new owner wants to keep it right there and when the Tiger comes home one of us will have to clear out. I can't decide which is worse moving back outside or having someone messing around with my airplane every time they want to fly. And if I'm in back then I'm having to move that big ass SUV of an airplane out the way. I'm leaning in the direction of just saying F it and going back outside till I can find another option. This is not about the money for the rent there aren't any available hangars.

Or maybe I should be a real prick and let the FAA know about all the non aviation storage going on there. So what say you damage from the weather or from a roommate

If the pilot of the 182 was deceased I can understand how it wouldn't have been flown too much. The pilot probably lost his medical!

Regards, Frank

[bonal]

Weather still sucks and I'm stuck on the ground. But at least for the time being my Mooney is nice and dry hope I can keep it that way.

[Mooneymite]

Weather still sucks and I'm stuck on the ground. But at least for the time being my Mooney is nice and dry hope I can keep it that way.

 

There's nothing like rotten weather to make you feel like your hangar is a bargain!  

[rbridges]

There's nothing like rotten weather to make you feel like your hangar is a bargain!  

 

I agree.  Don't give a second thought about hail or thunderstorms.