Replacement Door Seal

[Marauder]

When I re-did my interior a little over a year ago, I replaced the broken Field's door seal with the Cheap Bast$#d's specials. Everything seemed fine until I noticed a little water sneaking in during a flight through rain and an even worse issue with a sizable air leak during a recent cold snap we had. I don't think the Lowe's special seal is working out. I am just checking with the collective what owner's recent experience has been with the following:

Knots2U door seals: http://www.knots2u.net/door-seal-entry-door-mooney-m20-series-ads-m1201/

Aircraft Door Seals, LLC (which ironically has the same picture and price as the Knots2U site): https://www.aircraftdoorseals.com/product/mooney/m20-series/m20-entry-door-seal/

Aircraft Spruce: https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/mooneydoorseals.php

Bob Field's: http://ultimatedoorseals.com/index.html

Brown Aircraft: http://www.brownaircraft.com/product-p/ba-706-m.htm

I had a Bob Field's manual inflatable door seal for 25 years and really liked it. I just have not been able to get them to return my calls. Are they still in business?

 

Edited February 8, 2019 by Marauder

[Delta]

I can't speak for the ones you listed, but just in case, I used BA-706-M door seals from Brown Aircraft Supply some years ago. 
http://www.brownaircraft.com/product-p/ba-706-m.htm

It may be the same (mat’l/shape) as the seals sold by the suppliers listed by you, above??? 
Seal cement is extra - not included. 

[MARZ]

Couple years back I bought the Aircraft Door Seals at airventure.   I've not flown in rain but I can say that the air infiltration was stopped cold  (pun intended)   The one thing I do from time to time is put a thin coat of silicone on the rubber to help ensure a good seal.

[Marauder]

7 minutes ago, Delta said:

I can't speak for the ones you listed, but just in case, I used BA-706-M door seals from Brown Aircraft Supply some years ago. 
http://www.brownaircraft.com/product-p/ba-706-m.htm

It may be the same (mat’l/shape) as the seals sold by the suppliers listed by you, above??? 
Seal cement is extra - not included. 

I'll check them out.

[Marauder]

56 minutes ago, Delta said:

I can't speak for the ones you listed, but just in case, I used BA-706-M door seals from Brown Aircraft Supply some years ago. 
http://www.brownaircraft.com/product-p/ba-706-m.htm

It may be the same (mat’l/shape) as the seals sold by the suppliers listed by you, above??? 
Seal cement is extra - not included. 

Looks like another option. http://www.brownaircraft.com/product-p/ba-706-m.htm

[Skates97]

I tried a few different versions of the Lowes/Home Depot special. I ended up buying the Aircraft Door seals and have been happy with it. Like @Mike Ropers I put a thin coat of silicone on it (usually about every six months) and it seals well.

[ArtVandelay]

I tried a few different versions of the Lowes/Home Depot special. I ended up buying the Aircraft Door seals and have been happy with it.

I had aircraft door seals, but they were too bulky and prevented the door from closing flush with fuselage. So far HD special fix that problem, and seem waterproof but I haven’t flown through heavy rain.


Tom

[hypertech]

I did the aircraft door seals and it still leaked.  The seal seems to be of a good quality but it didn't close the gap.  On closer inspection, it could be my door though not fitting perfectly.  I did manage to fix it another way and still have the aircraft door seal on.

[LANCECASPER]

@GEE-BEE are you still working on a Mooney Door Seal?

[PT20J]

4 hours ago, Marauder said:

Aircraft Door Seals, LLC (which ironically has the same picture and price as the Knots2U site)

Knots2U bought out Aircraft Door Seals so they are the same thing.

[RLCarter]

Aircraft Door Seals on the baggage door has work well, the one on the cabin door gets jacked up fairly quick, will go back to O.E.M. seal with in the year

[Andy95W]

10 hours ago, Marauder said:

 

I had a Bob Field's manual inflatable door seal for 25 years and really liked it. I just have not been able to get them to return my calls. Are they still in business?

 

That's strange, when I was redoing my interior about a year ago, I gave them a call.  Someone called back right away and tried very hard to sell one to me.

I'm still considering it.  The el cheap one I put on is fine, but the Fields I had on my last airplane was incredibly quiet.

[Marauder]

That's strange, when I was redoing my interior about a year ago, I gave them a call.  Someone called back right away and tried very hard to sell one to me.
I'm still considering it.  The el cheap one I put on is fine, but the Fields I had on my last airplane was incredibly quiet.

I am not sure why I couldn’t get them to respond. I will try them again.


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[RLCarter]

@Marauder shoot them an email and see what that gets ya

[Greg Ellis]

I use the Knots2U/Aircraft Door seals (same company) version.  It mounts on the cabin door.  The key is keeping it lubricated with silicone grease.  I have tried the one that mounts on the airframe.  Stay away from it.  It will get screwed up the first time someone tries to slide into or out of the airplane.

[RLCarter]

3 hours ago, Greg Ellis said:

I use the Knots2U/Aircraft Door seals (same company) version.  It mounts on the cabin door.  The key is keeping it lubricated with silicone grease.  I have tried the one that mounts on the airframe.  Stay away from it.  It will get screwed up the first time someone tries to slide into or out of the airplane.

The airframe type seal is what I have and is absolutely junk, seals good and all but gets torn really easy

[rbridges]

3 hours ago, RLCarter said:

The airframe type seal is what I have and is absolutely junk, seals good and all but gets torn really easy

Yep.  Mine would tear off in chunks. Kinda like my plane was balding. 

[Ragsf15e]

Is there anyway to keep the bottom door support bracket from tearing up the seal when you close the door?  Mine is all torn away where that bracket attaches to the door.  I would think door mounted seal would do the same?

[Jim Peace]

On 2/8/2019 at 4:28 PM, hypertech said:

 On closer inspection, it could be my door though not fitting perfectly.  I did manage to fix it another way and still have the aircraft door seal on.

How did you fix it? 

[Marauder]

I might consider doing a seal based on a grey soft duro in Grey
I also mfg the LX7 legacy and Lancair IV-4P inflatable seal
its the same as the Columbia 300-350-400
cessna TTX 
I mfg this seal for free tooling as Columbia sold me a 300 new in 2005 for 149k
Were still working on pma and will be able to sell oem tso seals as pma seals when this is complete.
the key is ribbed and very soft duro i

I would be interested in an inflatable seal.


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[Ragsf15e]

2 hours ago, GEE-BEE said:

I might consider doing a seal based on a grey soft duro in Grey

I also mfg the LX7 legacy and Lancair IV-4P inflatable seal

its the same as the Columbia 300-350-400

cessna TTX 

I mfg this seal for free tooling as Columbia sold me a 300 new in 2005 for 149k

Were still working on pma and will be able to sell oem tso seals as pma seals when this is complete.

the key is ribbed and very soft duro i

+1 interested in quality new seal here.

[jetdriven]

Might I point out the incredible interest in a silicone money door seal several years ago. But Guy didn’t want to spend 300 bucks on tooling to make the damn thing and it all fell apart. $5000 of sales (40 buyers)  for lack of a $300 tooling die. I even spent 150$ to buy a factory door seal and cut 3” off of it and sent to him so he could make a die from that and he fucking ghosted me. So call me a contrarian but I did hang my ass out on the line for this project and it never came around. When I came down to the fact I was going to collect 40 buyers worth of cash send it to him and also sent him a factory door seal so he can copy and then pay for the tooling and then arrange shipment for all the shit you know some point to be easy if I just did it myself. But I don’t make door seals I do other things. Anyway do not waste your time on this fruitless endeavor. . I learned my lesson

 

Sounds great

 

We will have a new yellow baffle seal

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On May 11, 2016, at 1:23 PM, byron rodgers <bdr737@gmail.com> wrote:
 

 

I can send you a few inches of the factory door seal. 

On Dec 29, 2014, at 3:55 PM, Gee-Bee -Guy Ginbey <n77gb@msn.com> wrote:
 

Sending it to die maker after holiday

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On Dec 29, 2014, at 3:40 PM, Byron Rodgers <bdr737@gmail.com> wrote:
 

I bought the seal and sent you 3" of it.  What's your status 

On Dec 12, 2014, at 10:03 PM, Gee-Bee -Guy Ginbey <n77gb@msn.com> wrote:
 

What is the cabin door cost

Per ft or as a assy

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On Dec 12, 2014, at 6:56 PM, byron rodgers <bdr737@gmail.com> wrote:
 

also, cost on a factory baggage door seal. P/N  912018-501 - $107.23

 

from LASAR

 

 

Begin forwarded message:

From: Gee-Bee -Guy Ginbey <n77gb@msn.com>

Subject: Re: M20 DOOR SEAL

Date: December 12, 2014 at 8:39:01 PM CST

To: byron rodgers <bdr737@gmail.com>

 

Gee Bee

Po box 747

Rancho Mirage Ca 92270

 

What is part number and cost

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On Dec 12, 2014, at 6:32 PM, byron rodgers <bdr737@gmail.com> wrote:
 

I got the 3" sample I bought New baggage door seal. Ill send it. 

 

I have 40 people who want a set of both.  

 

 

 

On Aug 18, 2014, at 9:42 PM, Gee-Bee -Guy Ginbey <n77gb@msn.com> wrote:
 

PLEASE
 
3 ' INCHES
 
GEE-BEE
P.O. BOX 747
RANCHO MIRAGE CA 92270
 

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Subject: Re: M20 DOOR SEAL
From: bdr737@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 21:37:40 -0500
To: n77gb@msn.com
 

I have a new one want a piece of that?

 

 

On Aug 18, 2014, at 9:02 PM, Gee-Bee -Guy Ginbey <n77gb@msn.com> wrote:
 

Can't make a good die from old crushed

Need dims or sample 

Three inches long

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Edited February 18, 2019 by jetdriven

[Marauder]

Might I point out the incredible interest in a silicone money door seal several years ago. But Guy didn’t want to spend 300 bucks on tooling to make the damn thing and it all fell apart. $5000 of sales (40 buyers)  for lack of a $300 tooling die. I even spent 150$ to buy a factory door seal and cut 3” off of it and sent to him so he could make a die from that and he fucking ghosted me. So call me a contrarian but I did hang my ass out on the line for this project and it never came around. When I came down to the fact I was going to collect 40 buyers worth of cash send it to him and also sent him a factory door seal so he can copy and then pay for the tooling and then arrange shipment for all the shit you know some point to be easy if I just did it myself. But I don’t make door seals I do other things. Anyway do not waste your time on this fruitless endeavor. . I learned my lesson
 
[/url] Sounds great   We will have a new yellow baffle seal

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On May 11, 2016, at 1:23 PM, byron rodgers > wrote:
 

  I can send you a few inches of the factory door seal. 

On Dec 29, 2014, at 3:55 PM, Gee-Bee -Guy Ginbey n77gb@msn.com> wrote:

 

Sending it to die maker after holiday

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On Dec 29, 2014, at 3:40 PM, Byron Rodgers bdr737@gmail.com> wrote:

 

I bought the seal and sent you 3" of it.  What's your status 

On Dec 12, 2014, at 10:03 PM, Gee-Bee -Guy Ginbey n77gb@msn.com> wrote:

 

What is the cabin door cost Per ft or as a assy

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On Dec 12, 2014, at 6:56 PM, byron rodgers bdr737@gmail.com> wrote:

 

also, cost on a factory baggage door seal. P/N  

912018-501

 - $107.23  

from LASAR

   

Begin forwarded message:

From: 

Gee-Bee -Guy Ginbey n77gb@msn.com>

Subject: 

Re: M20 DOOR SEAL

Date: 

December 12, 2014 at 8:39:01 PM CST

To: 

byron rodgers bdr737@gmail.com>   Gee Bee

Po box 747

Rancho Mirage Ca 92270

  What is part number and cost

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On Dec 12, 2014, at 6:32 PM, byron rodgers bdr737@gmail.com> wrote:

 

I got the 3" sample I bought New baggage door seal. Ill send it.    I have 40 people who want a set of both.    

   

On Aug 18, 2014, at 9:42 PM, Gee-Bee -Guy Ginbey n77gb@msn.com> wrote:

 

PLEASE

 

3 ' INCHES

 

GEE-BEE

P.O. BOX 747

RANCHO MIRAGE CA 92270

 

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Subject: Re: M20 DOOR SEAL

From: 

bdr737@gmail.com

Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 21:37:40 -0500

To: 

n77gb@msn.com

  I have a new one want a piece of that?

   

On Aug 18, 2014, at 9:02 PM, Gee-Bee -Guy Ginbey n77gb@msn.com> wrote:

 

Can't make a good die from old crushed Need dims or sample  Three inches long

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On Aug 18, 2014, at 6:56 PM, "byron rodgers" bdr737@gmail.com> wrote:

 

What do u mean new seal?

   

On Aug 18, 2014, at 8:16 PM, Gee-Bee -Guy Ginbey n77gb@msn.com> wrote:

 

I need a new seal Can't get anyone to guess I asked lake aero No help   I make angle 9.00 each Screws .65 each

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On Aug 18, 2014, at 5:55 PM, "byron rodgers" bdr737@gmail.com> wrote:

 

Eta on door seals?  Also do u make angle valve lycoming valve cover gaskets in that reinforced material?    

On Jul 14, 2014, at 11:13 AM, Gee-Bee -Guy Ginbey n77gb@msn.com> wrote:

 

New print New die

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On Jul 14, 2014, at 8:50 AM, byron rodgers bdr737@gmail.com> wrote:

 

Eta for second run?

   

On Jul 14, 2014, at 10:34 AM, Gee-Bee -Guy Ginbey n77gb@msn.com> wrote:

 

I was not happy with first article

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On Jul 14, 2014, at 7:28 AM, "byron rodgers" bdr737@gmail.com> wrote:

 

any updates?   

On Jun 22, 2014, at 2:01 PM, Gee-Bee -Guy Ginbey wrote:

Running material this week Have beech stuff to process Production first

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On Jun 22, 2014, at 10:50 AM, "byron rodgers" bdr737@gmail.com> wrote:

 

What's the latest? 

   

On Jun 16, 2014, at 11:15 PM, Gee-Bee -Guy Ginbey n77gb@msn.com> wrote:

 

New will be very soft

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On Jun 16, 2014, at 8:13 AM, "byron rodgers" bdr737@gmail.com> wrote:

 

The baggage door seal I removed from the old door and fit to the new one.  It actually prevents the door from closing flush with he fuselage, it's too thick.  It almost seems that a 1/2" x 1/4" square of super soft foam with ribs would do a better job.      

On Jun 12, 2014, at 1:47 AM, Gee-Bee -Guy Ginbey n77gb@msn.com> wrote:

 

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/chafeseal1.php?clickkey=1527627

 

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/chafeseal2.php?clickkey=1527627

 

it worked for me on a 201 and 252

 

.032 very thin

 

The beech anti chafe .050 on main gear doors

.32 on cowl and nose gear doors

 

Another one of my inventions

 

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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 01:40:33 -0500

Subject: Re: M20 DOOR SEAL

From: 

bdr737@gmail.com

To: 

n77gb@msn.com

  We used the McMaster carr anti-chafe UMHW tape it is great. However, on the gear doors and flaps, the UV turns it yellow in two years, it gets brittle,  and it looks like shit.  Do you have something better?    On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 1:37 AM, Gee-Bee -Guy Ginbey n77gb@msn.com> wrote:

aircraft spruce carrys my .032 1 ' wide and 1-1/2 .032 anti chafe seal for mooney cowls

 

works very well, each roll is 15 ft long

 

you must clear silicone cement

 

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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 01:27:13 -0500 

Subject: Re: M20 DOOR SEAL

From: 

bdr737@gmail.com

To: 

n77gb@msn.com

  OK he will send it if he hasnt already. He has the LLC checkbook. check and se if you have a letter from Jason Helms and the check is from M20J Aerospace LLC.   Cant wait to get my hands on the door seal. 

This airplane prep pre-paint project has been taking over my life. Like 200 hours shop time with all the fixing stuff thats loose, rusty, or plain wrong. New baggage door from a later model witih the flush latch and emergency release handle. new 1/4" windshield. 5 or 6 lasar speed mods. removed lots of antennas and flush patched. removed th overhead ductwork and revised the vents to 05 chevy tahoe style rotary vents. Flush riveted them in. removed all antennas and prosealed under, had silicone before.  same with all 6 wing fuel tank access panels. dents. new ailerons, elevators. now i'm down to correcting to the stuff that was crappy when it left the factory in 1977.  Like the flush rivets thru fiberglass on the cowl where the cowl flap hinges are attached.  Carbon fiber reinforcement top cowl bridge mod. strip and rebuild the aft edge of the cowl where it meets the boot cowl, the camloc holes are worn out and egg-shaped.   

  Hawk in tampa is painting it.    On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 1:19 AM, Gee-Bee -Guy Ginbey n77gb@msn.com> wrote:

I think so

 

I just finshed the new ribbed storm seal in the same grey sponge for the framed window

the tooler made the wrong one first

 

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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 01:14:44 -0500 

Subject: Re: M20 DOOR SEAL

From: 

bdr737@gmail.com

To: 

n77gb@msn.com

  estimated time to deliver?    Got your fuel hose installed. I can send you the old one for postmortem, it looks unusually swelled in places.  Jason should have mailed a check for the new hose, did you recieve it yet? 

  thanks

byron   On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 1:07 AM, Gee-Bee -Guy Ginbey n77gb@msn.com> wrote:

Waiting on material run

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On Jun 11, 2014, at 10:14 PM, "b r" bdr737@gmail.com> wrote:

 

whats the latest, Guy?   On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 10:07 PM, Gee-Bee -Guy Ginbey n77gb@msn.com>wrote:

Waiting on seal matetial

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On May 2, 2014, at 8:06 PM, "b r" bdr737@gmail.com> wrote:

 

whats the door seal status?  Sorry i havent mailed a check for the hose, I was out of town on a trip. But ill get it.    On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 4:20 AM, Gee-Bee -Guy Ginbey n77gb@msn.com> wrote:

  Call me 

800 556 3160

xyF

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On Feb 26, 2014, at 4:18 PM, "b r" bdr737@gmaila.com>Say wrote:

5.

what about the baggage door seal?   It is going to be tough to get a group buy of y15 door seals when we havent seen one yet. zx

Cy  On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 11:12 PM, Guy William n77gb@msn.com>wrote:

I resigned the seal  This the price MSilicone foam one piece Not two piece like original

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On Feb 22, 2014, at 6:58 AM, "Byron Rodgers" bdr737@gmail.com> wrote:

 

Guy: Can you explain what's going on here?   Thanks Byron

On Feb 21, 2014, at 11:56 PM, 

jasonhelms40@yahoo.com

 wrote:

 

From Guy.  Does this mean he needs 15 people to buy door seals?

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Begin forwarded message:

 

From:

Guy William n77gb@msn.com>

Date:

February 21, 2014 at 7:19:10 PM CST

To:

"

jasonhelms40@yahoo.com

" jasonhelms40@yahoo.com>

Subject:

M20 DOOR SEAL

 

7.72 PER FOOT 10 FT PER DOOR ?

 

77.20

 

 

TOOLING 330.00 DIVIDED 15 = 22.00

 

WE NEED A GROUP BUY OF 15 PEOPLE GREY SILICONE FOAM, MAADE tTO THE DESIGN OF THE d seal ( shape )

 

GBy

 


I seem to remember this thread. I didn’t realize there was an epic story behind this. So what gives Guy?


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[slowflyin]

On ‎2‎/‎9‎/‎2019 at 12:21 AM, Marauder said:

 

I am not sure why I couldn’t get them to respond. I will try them again.


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Beware- I was a Bob Fields customer.  Love their seals!   Paid for my last one last year but never received the product.  Call after call after call...…..Sad to see a son do this to his fathers legacy.

[Bryan]

I would be interested in an inflatable seal as well.  I have one today but it leaks a little.