Washington Class Bravo - always complicated but today takes the blue ribbon

[Bob_Belville]

I was @ 26N (Ocean City NJ) this morning, filed an IFR home via GARED & BEUGA to stay clear of the Bavo and a few restricted areas. 393.2 NM.

N943RW Expected ATC Route From: 26N to MRN is GARED BEUGA

I took off VFR and contacted Atlantic City Approach who gave me a discrete squawk code, "maintain VFR and contact clearance for revision to FP."  

I replied ready to copy and started writing but quit after the fourth Victor airway. When he stopped talking I advised I would remain VFR, return to Approach control and request Flight Following.

After landing I found I hd another confirmation from FltPlan:

N943RW Expected ATC Route From: 26N to MRN is ACY V229 LEEAH V268 BAL V214 MRB V166 ESL V4 HVQ V115 AZQ V140 HARME TRI  This route is 834.7 NM and through a long line of weather.

 

 

 

[carusoam]

Did you jog the boardwalk Bob?

26N is my favorite place to visit.

Best regards,

-a-

[PTK]

I went out to exercise the horses today. Thought about coming to 26N but ended up going to WWD with a stop over at MIV. Now I wish I had come to Ocean City. I would've met you Bob!

Yesterday there was a beached whale around Sea Isle which is the next town south from Ocean City. Flew down the coast but was ubable to take pics.

[Danb]

Bob you gotta love it. How'd you and Nancy enjoy your extreme trek north. They just wanted you to visit Vanderbilt 

[Bob_Belville]

Anthony, we stayed 2 nights at Port O Call, did walk the boardwalk, nice. Sorry we missed you! I played golf at Somer's Point, attended some HS class reunion stuff. Fun time. 

[Bob_Belville]

11 minutes ago, Danb said:

Bob you gotta love it. How'd you and Nancy enjoy your extreme trek north. They just wanted you to visit Vanderbilt 

Dan, great to see you at the MHT-PPP! We had a fine time in Maine - parked 5 night @ KIWI. I don't think you can beat September weather on the Maine Mid Coast. We made a little dent in clam and lobster inventory.

[Danb]

Awesome

[Jim Peace]

If we keep getting left sided people in office the entire USA will be under a TFR......this is not that far away......

Edited September 18, 2016 by Jim Peace

[Marauder]

I was @ 26N (Ocean City NJ) this morning, filed an IFR home via GARED & BEUGA to stay clear of the Bavo and a few restricted areas. 393.2 NM.

N943RW Expected ATC Route From: 26N to MRN is GARED BEUGA

I took off VFR and contacted Atlantic City Approach who gave me a discrete squawk code, "maintain VFR and contact clearance for revision to FP."  

I replied ready to copy and started writing but quit after the fourth Victor airway. When he stopped talking I advised I would remain VFR, return to Approach control and request Flight Following.

After landing I found I hd another confirmation from FltPlan:

N943RW Expected ATC Route From: 26N to MRN is ACY V229 LEEAH V268 BAL V214 MRB V166 ESL V4 HVQ V115 AZQ V140 HARME TRI  This route is 834.7 NM and through a long line of weather.      

Welcome to the east coast! Now you know why I posted a few threads on the joys of east coast clearances.

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[gsxrpilot]

31 minutes ago, Jim Peace said:

If we keep getting left sided people in office the entire USA will be under a TFR......this is not that far away......

I think it was a righty who gave us TFR's. I had to deviate around a certain ranch in Texas yesterday that still has a TFR permanently fixed over it.

[Bob_Belville]

20 minutes ago, Marauder said:

Welcome to the east coast! Now you know why I posted a few threads on the joys of east coast clearances.

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21 minutes ago, Marauder said:

Welcome to the east coast! Now you know why I posted a few threads on the joys of east coast clearances.

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Have they not heard of GPS? I thought old VIctor had been retired. For what's it's worth, when I was handed off to Potomac Approach while @ 8500 with Flight following I was able to get an IFR clearance dir to MRN at 8000. almost exactly what I had asked for. None of the ATC folks I talked to were very busy on my freqs. (I was asked a couple of times what on course heading was to destination. I suppose their computers are inferior to our tablets as to GPS routing.)  

[Bob_Belville]

7 minutes ago, gsxrpilot said:

I think it was a righty who gave us TFR's. I had to deviate around a certain ranch in Texas yesterday that still has a TFR permanently fixed over it.

Washington must be 100 miles across. I bet it causes many fuel stops every day and probably some folks just decide to stay on their side of the wall. How big is that ranch? Cost you more than 60 seconds? If I had accepted the routing, if weather had not given me the VFR option, it would have turned a 3 hour flight into a 7 hour flight with a fuel stop in a lot of nasty looking weather. 

[gsxrpilot]

Just now, Bob_Belville said:

Washington must be 100 miles across. I bet it causes many fuel stops every day and probably some folks just decide to stay on their side of the wall. How big is that ranch? Cost you more than 60 seconds? If I had accepted the routing, if weather had not given me the VFR option, it would have turned a 3 hour flight into a 7 hour flight with a fuel stop in a lot of nasty looking weather. 

Just saying the current occupant of the big white house wasn't the one who stuck us with these silly TFR's... I hate them as much as anyone and believe they serve no security purpose whatsoever.

[Marauder]

20 minutes ago, Marauder said: Welcome to the east coast! Now you know why I posted a few threads on the joys of east coast clearances.

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21 minutes ago, Marauder said: Welcome to the east coast! Now you know why I posted a few threads on the joys of east coast clearances.

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Have they not heard of GPS? I thought old VIctor had been retired. For what's it's worth, when I was handed off to Potomac Approach while @ 8500 with Flight following I was able to get an IFR clearance dir to MRN at 8000. almost exactly what I had asked for. None of the ATC folks I talked to were very busy on my freqs. (I was asked a couple of times what on course heading was to destination. I suppose their computers are inferior to our tablets as to GPS routing.)  

Bob - I think a lot of this is driven by Letter of Agreements between facilities with contributing factors being the day/time and altitude you fly it.

I tried a few routes going direct west from Philly before going north. I found that I got what I wanted, but it took a while before Philly was able to issue the route.

Departing from Ocean City, I would have filed through southern Jersey across the Bay. The further from D.C., the easier it is.

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[mike_elliott]

LOA's between facilities are not always in the best interest of pilots' in spite of what they say they are for.....just sayin....

 

[N9201A]

Don't confuse us with facts, Rocket! Everyone knows Hillary started the TFRs, right between initiating the "Birther" controversy and founding ISIS...

[Jim Peace]

Don't you guys worry,,when you vote Hillary in she will fix everything...........

 

She does put your interests ahead of hers......

Edited September 19, 2016 by Jim Peace

[Jerry 5TJ]

1 hour ago, Bob_Belville said:

Washington must be 100 miles across....

The outer ring's radius is 30 miles.  

My home airport is just 9 miles NE of the outer ring.  If I file for a southerly route E of the SFRA I get BAL V214 GRACO V93 PXT and then onward.  As soon as I'm in radar contact after takeoff ATC clears me direct GRACO.  South of Patuxent generally they offer direct.  

I don't know why they headed you to Knoxville today, but if you'd requested ENO V16 PXT KTRI that's likely what you would have gotten.  Perhaps your choice of intersections, although valid, didn't fit their sector hand-off agreements. 

Glad you eventually were able to negotiate what you wanted.  

[N9201A]

Can smell them sour grapes from the Left Coast...smile, it's a beautiful world!

[Bob_Belville]

5 minutes ago, Jerry 5TJ said:

The outer ring's radius is 30 miles.  

My home airport is just 9 miles NE of the outer ring.  If I file for a southerly route E of the SFRA I get BAL V214 GRACO V93 PXT and then onward.  As soon as I'm in radar contact after takeoff ATC clears me direct GRACO.  South of Patuxent generally they offer direct.  

I don't know why they headed you to Knoxville today, but if you'd requested ENO V16 PXT KTRI that's likely what you would have gotten.  Perhaps your choice of intersections, although valid, didn't fit their sector hand-off agreements. 

Glad you eventually were able to negotiate what you wanted.  

Yeah,being able to improve routing once enroute is routine but today going around the north side of the TCA was nearly impossible. There was a solid line of weather covering the mountains from PA to GA. Even if I'd gotten more direct routing when west of the TCA it would have been pretty dicey. And if I had had IMC conditions leaving Ocean City I'd have been forced into their foolishness. In hindsight, I could have started out with Richmond as destination and changed it after 30 minutes or so. 

Years ago, pre GPS, I routinely flew from western NC to New England using RNAV KMRN PXT JFK KORH. Seems we've gone backwards in the NE.

[Rustler]

3 hours ago, gsxrpilot said:

I think it was a righty who gave us TFR's. I had to deviate around a certain ranch in Texas yesterday that still has a TFR permanently fixed over it.

Paul--

Check your charts. TFR 9/2934 is permanent since 2009 BUT is only up to 1500' over Mr. Bush's home in Dallas, not at the ranch in Crawford. The one over the ranch was rescinded very soon after his presidency ended.

[Andy95W]

1 hour ago, Bob_Belville said:

but today going around the north side of the TCA was nearly impossible.

TCA?  Wasn't that the airspace that was bigger than an ARSA?  That takes me back a few years.  (20 years or so?)

Bob, you may have just confused our younger readers.

[gsxrpilot]

8 hours ago, Rustler said:

Check your charts. TFR 9/2934 is permanent since 2009 BUT is only up to 1500' over Mr. Bush's home in Dallas, not at the ranch in Crawford. The one over the ranch was rescinded very soon after his presidency ended.

Actually the TFR was just converted to Prohibited over the Bush ranch in Crawford. It's now and will always be P-49. 

[mccdeuce]

A lot of it is temperamental with the FRZ in DC. Mostly on VFR traffic but what we have been told by the watch floors is that if something is going on and they can easily vector you around the FRZ they will.

and by something it doesn't have to be anything big. Can be presidential movement to a rally somewhere downtown DC. 

Even flying in the helicopter they have denied me entrance to the FRZ or put me in helicopter holding outside it for 20min hoping I will just get bored and go away. 

[Bob_Belville]

41 minutes ago, gsxrpilot said:

Actually the TFR was just converted to Prohibited over the Bush ranch in Crawford. It's now and will always be P-49. 

It appears to be about the size of an airport. Hardly a comparison