M20C missing in NC mountains from KDKX

[triple8s]

https://www.wate.com/news/local-news/search-underway-for-missing-plane-pilot-en-route-from-knoxville-to-sc/1851306959

 

 Praying for a happy ending but doesnt sound good. Was an M20C departed KDKX around 5:30 ish

 

 

Edited March 15, 2019 by triple8s
Wasnt done

[orionflt]

6075Q 

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N6075Q/history/20190314/2130Z/KDKX/KAIK

Prayers

[HXG]

From Kathryn’s Report:

Mooney M20C, N6075Q: Accident occurred March 14, 2019 in Aiken, South Carolina

 

Federal Aviation Administration / Flight Standards District Office; Atlanta, Georgia

Pilot reported loss of attitude indication during flight in Instrument meteorological conditions (IMC).

https://registry.faa.gov/N6075Q

[Hank]

Crap!

It's certainly "rugged terrain," my wife and I both have family in the area.

Not sure what was going on with the flight path there at the end . . . .  

[eman1200]

todays weather would certainly inhibit SAR.  I could certainly help all day tomorrow, does anyone know who I could offer help to if they want help searching?  

[wiguy]

 Weather was reportedly crummy at the time. Don’t know the exact conditions.

[MIm20c]

So sad if in fact a vac/AI failure was a contributing factor. 

[Hank]

@Hyett6420, the news article doesn't say much more than the plane departed Knoxville, TN, headed to Aiken, SC, and didn't arrive. SAR in Macon County, NC, is out, but the weather is poor. What blew through Alabama last night brought some tornadoes, and we were at the extreme SW end of a lengthy line of storms. The closest tornado to us fell apart 20 minutes before the weatherman said it woukd reach us, but the 10 pm lightning show was intense.

Here is the flight track. Looks like he went down right at the NC/SC state line.

[Marauder]

18 minutes ago, Hyett6420 said:

Could someone please have a go at wate and get this fixed.  They just dont want to understand they cant collect personal data, so they have blocked access to their site.  So annoying.

Andrew -- I don't recall what Craig's username is (he owns the site), but I would reach out to him to see what his plans are for GDPR compliance. I suspect like many U.S. based sites, the GDPR requirements are going to be problematic leading to many site operators to terminate European access to avoid dealing with implementing the privacy requirements. I'm dealing with them now and GDPR requires a bit of work to ensure compliance. I'm hoping Craig has a plan so that what you encountered with the linked website won't happen to MooneySpace.

Edited March 15, 2019 by Marauder

[carusoam]

@mooniac58 for Craig...

of course... @mike_elliott to bring Mike in on the thread...

http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2019/03/mooney-m20c-n6075q-fatal-accident.html

Best regards,

-a-

[yvesg]

The graphs are scary. This looks like icing encounter.   Edited

Yves

[mike_elliott]

If anyone knows Craig  Gary Huttleston or how to get in contact with his immediate family, please let me know.

So sad.

MIke

 

[carusoam]

 

@mike_elliott Sorry, I crossed some names up in one post...

Pilot of the errant flight is Gary Huttleston... as reported...

https://flightaware.com/resources/registration/N6075Q

Fortunately Craig is still with us... Somebody else was looking for Craig’s assistance... 

My apologies...

-a-

[mike_elliott]

2 minutes ago, carusoam said:

 

@mike_elliott Sorry, I crossed some names up in one post...

Pilot of the errant flight is Gary Huttleston... as reported...

https://flightaware.com/resources/registration/N6075Q

Fortunately Craig is still with us... Somebody else was looking for Craig’s assistance... 

My apologies...

-a-

Thanks Anthony, I have reached out to Phil Jiminez who is listed as a facebook friend of Gary's to see if he may have contact info. Meanwhile, if someone knows surviving immediate family members, please let me know.

Mike

 

[tigers2007]

I get the heebie-jeebies everytime I go to Katheryns Report. Seems like there is a popular theme with many accidents lately - flying into convective weather. I'm glad the authorities located him this afternoon to begin the closure process for family and friends. RIP.

[mike_elliott]

The Mooney Summit, Inc's Bill Gilliland foundation will be reaching out to his wife, Cindy. We have her contact info. 

RIP Gary.

[Austintatious]

man, this is terrible.  Instrument failure in IMC is very very bad.   Practice partial panel !  Or have a backup ADI.

Thoughts for the survivors.

[Mark89114]

4 hours ago, Hyett6420 said:

Could someone please have a go at wate and get this fixed.  They just dont want to understand they cant collect personal data, so they have blocked access to their site.  So annoying.

Can you sign in anonymously through a function most browsers have? 

[ilovecornfields]

4 hours ago, Hyett6420 said:

Could someone please have a go at wate and get this fixed.  They just dont want to understand they cant collect personal data, so they have blocked access to their site.  So annoying.

https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/

You get to chose what country you’re from. Theoretically, I could have used it to stream the Olympics from a Canadian IP address instead of using the limited US access. If I was someone who did that sort of thing...

[LANCECASPER]

2 hours ago, Austintatious said:

man, this is terrible.  Instrument failure in IMC is very very bad.   Practice partial panel !  Or have a backup ADI.

Thoughts for the survivors.

We were all taught to practice partial panel, but sadly in an emergency it hasn't worked out well. The FAA eased up requirements a few years back and encourages a 2nd attitude indicator in place of a turn coordinator

 https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/AC91-75.pdf

[triple8s]

3 hours ago, Austintatious said:

man, this is terrible.  Instrument failure in IMC is very very bad.   Practice partial panel !  Or have a backup ADI.

Thoughts for the survivors.

I have often thought about losing gyros in IMC and there is no reason with the low cost of a decent back indicators we have available today not to have a plan for when primary instruments fail. One thing I wanted to say too is I think it's insane for a person to think a cellphone or iPad 6-pak is anything more than a toy because it may be better than nothing but just barely. There is no reason not to pick up a used dynon D1  or something like that. I know they can be had for way less than 1000$ used and even buying new they are so worth it. A device that send attitude info to an iPad I dont trust much either. I think get a good backup system and also fly it under the hood in vfr with a safety pilot. Sad to lose fellow pilots.

[Hector]

I have a backup electric AI in my C and at times have briefly debated removing it to make room for another toy. Then I had a vacuum pump failure once and was soooo glad for that electric AI. With the vacuum failure the wing leveler stopped functioning and slowly drifted into a left bank around 10 degrees. Took me a few seconds to figure out what was going on. The two AIs showing something different then I looked at the vacuum pressure and it was zero. Quickly turned to the electric AI to get things back on track. Non-event after that but not sure how badly it would have gotten without a backup AI.


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[toto]

1 hour ago, triple8s said:

IThere is no reason not to pick up a used dynon D1  or something like that. I know they can be had for way less than 1000$ used and even buying new they are so worth it.

I think a brand new D3 is under 800 bucks. 

Edit: $879

https://m.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/efis10-06727.php

[Marauder]

Looking over the FlightAware data it is clear there was a control issue going on. Pretty significant heading changes and some altitude and airspeed anomalies. If the cause was a failed AI, it is indeed sad if no backup AI was available to the pilot.

 

 

 

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[mooniac58]

8 hours ago, carusoam said:

@mooniac58 for Craig...

of course... @mike_elliott to bring Mike in on the thread...

http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2019/03/mooney-m20c-n6075q-fatal-accident.html

Best regards,

-a-

He is having this issue at wate.com not Mooneyspace.  The forum software we use (IPBoard) is GDPR compliant.  The key thing is that if you delete your account all data is wiped from our servers.