GFC500 Update

[Marauder]

1 minute ago, donkaye said:

I have chosen to use Garmin Pilot as my main EFB aviation App, but I do have a Basic FF subscription as a backup.  One of the things I like about many of my student's FF app is the aural announcements of entering, leaving runways and runway lengths.  I have not been able to duplicate that with my subscription.  Can I assume that to get that functionality you need a Pro subscription?

Sounds like ad hoc features.

[hypertech]

7 minutes ago, donkaye said:

I have chosen to use Garmin Pilot as my main EFB aviation App, but I do have a Basic FF subscription as a backup.  One of the things I like about many of my student's FF app is the aural announcements of entering, leaving runways and runway lengths.  I have not been able to duplicate that with my subscription.  Can I assume that to get that functionality you need a Pro subscription?

Yes.  You need the pro plus subscription for that.  It is part of the geo-referenced chart / plate feature.

[Bryan]

9 minutes ago, donkaye said:

I have chosen to use Garmin Pilot as my main EFB aviation App, but I do have a Basic FF subscription as a backup.  One of the things I like about many of my student's FF app is the aural announcements of entering, leaving runways and runway lengths.  I have not been able to duplicate that with my subscription.  Can I assume that to get that functionality you need a Pro subscription?

I, too, have both GP and FF.  I have GP for database updates to the panel but use FF as my primary.  Looking at the features (https://foreflight.com/pricing/) the aural alerts might be lumped under Hazard Advisor & Hazard Alerts

EDIT: Maybe @hypertech knew better.  I do like that feature.  And, best of all, when my tablet is connected to my audio panel, everyone gets those alerts over the headsets.  Also, the "Cabin Altitude is above 12,500" is a nice aural announcment as well.

[donkaye]

8 minutes ago, hypertech said:

Yes.  You need the pro plus subscription for that.  It is part of the geo-referenced chart / plate feature.

Thanks.  It might be worth the extra cost, especially since I haven't been taking advantage of the SAFE discount.

[Marauder]

I, too, have both GP and FF.  I have GP for database updates to the panel but use FF as my primary.  Looking at the features (https://foreflight.com/pricing/) the aural alerts might be lumped under Hazard Advisor & Hazard Alerts
EDIT: Maybe [mention=16203]hypertech[/mention] knew better.  I do like that feature.  And, best of all, when my tablet is connected to my audio panel, everyone gets those alerts over the headsets.  Also, the "Cabin Altitude is above 12,500" is a nice aural announcment as well.

I have been locked into GP primarily because of the database uploads. I like GP because it mimics the interface of the GTN but am disappointed that I can’t use my Lynx 9000 ADS-B In solution with it. Ironically, FltPln Go does allow it to connect and display weather and traffic. If GP doesn’t allow that connectivity, I may need to revisit FF.


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[bradp]

Don may be worth swapping a basic GP and the upgraded FF next to aroubd if you still get the database concierge 

I also wish that FF would include the code for XM Wx and music via connext. 

Any if they had a GFC-500 on offer for mid bodies I’d buy one today.  Hurry up Garmin before my wife makes me use my autipilot pennies for a bathroom or something silly like that. 

[aviatoreb]

2 hours ago, bradp said:

Don may be worth swapping a basic GP and the upgraded FF next to aroubd if you still get the database concierge 

I also wish that FF would include the code for XM Wx and music via connext. 

Any if they had a GFC-500 on offer for mid bodies I’d buy one today.  Hurry up Garmin before my wife makes me use my autipilot pennies for a bathroom or something silly like that. 

Suppose the stc comes early summer - I am wondering if it will be very hard to get an appointment at a good avionics shop given the 2020 adsb rush

[bradp]

Does anyone have a pic of what the servo mounting brackets look like in one of the test moonies? I’d be very curious. 

I’d also be curious to know if this can be installed in the same location as the the century II b controller (below the throttle quadrant on the throttle quadrant moonies)... the easily available G3X touch installation manual has the dimensions in it.  Will need to do some measuring ...

I’m somewhat hopeful that the local avionics shop would be willing to let me do the majority of the installation labor and removal of the existing system- especially if they haven’t done a Mooney.  I’m thinking  labor hours on this one all comes down to the brackets and whether fabrication is required.  The wiring and install of the equipment seems stone cold simple per the G3X literature.

[Ragsf15e]

On 2/8/2019 at 7:56 AM, donkaye said:

Thanks.  It might be worth the extra cost, especially since I haven't been taking advantage of the SAFE discount.

I too use FF basic but my aural warnings work... maybe delve into the settings and make sure they’re on?  They aren’t part of the geo rectified charts.  Your ipad will need a gps source however.

[81X]

On 2/9/2019 at 8:49 PM, bradp said:

Does anyone have a pic of what the servo mounting brackets look like in one of the test moonies? I’d be very curious. 

I’d also be curious to know if this can be installed in the same location as the the century II b controller (below the throttle quadrant on the throttle quadrant moonies)... the easily available G3X touch installation manual has the dimensions in it.  Will need to do some measuring ...

I’m somewhat hopeful that the local avionics shop would be willing to let me do the majority of the installation labor and removal of the existing system- especially if they haven’t done a Mooney.  I’m thinking  labor hours on this one all comes down to the brackets and whether fabrication is required.  The wiring and install of the equipment seems stone cold simple per the G3X literature.

Not yet. They have been flight testing my K a bunch and hope to be wrapped up in about two weeks, so the manuals with servo locations and brackets should be ready shortly thereafter. 

 

[flyingcheesehead]

On 12/21/2018 at 1:09 PM, gsengle said:

All well and good but I find it disturbing that the devices attitude info standalone isn’t as good as a mechanical gyro, and thus requires this additional validation to work/be certified

 

Every glass panel works this way. It’s not disturbing at all to me, it’s the electronic equivalent of “pendulous vanes.”

On 12/21/2018 at 5:28 PM, Steve W said:

I haven't seen anything that says the KA310 is required if you use a KFC-230, only for legacy(analog input) autopilots. I'd assume they were smart enough to put the ARINC output for the KFC on the KI-300 itself... Then again, it is BK.

The KA-310 is required even for the KFC-230. Face. Palm. 

On 12/22/2018 at 10:34 AM, Marauder said:

I think the big advantage of CWS is on a missed approach while you’re trying to clean up the plane. I agree, flown for years without one in the plane but have enough experience to know they have some value, but at what cost?
 

 

I use my CWS button for a few things:

1) Activating the flight director after takeoff. Quicker to do it with CWS on the left hand and reach directly for the AP button on the right hand. Does the GFC500 even require the FD to be active before pushing AP?

2) Correcting altitude every so often. Sometimes I use the DN/UP rocker, sometimes I use CWS. With a digital autopilot, I don’t think I’ll need to do this any more anyway. 

3) Momentarily deviating to take a look at something. Easy enough to just disengage and re-engage. 

I don’t think I’m going to miss it. I might even move some things on my left yoke horn. Currently it’s home to trim, A/P Disconnect, PTT, PTC, speed brakes, and CWS!

[gsengle]

It’s disturbing because it’s reliant on something external to the airplane. Did you see the huge areas of gps disturbance courtesy of the us military this week?


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[Marauder]

It’s disturbing because it’s reliant on something external to the airplane. Did you see the huge areas of gps disturbance courtesy of the us military this week?


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I saw it but was disappointed that it didn’t have any effect in our neck of the woods. Was looking forward to some good old fashioned ded reckoning, a little VOR tracking and some pilotage tossed in for giggles. Instead, I just followed the magenta line, again.


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[Baker Avionics]

On 2/9/2019 at 5:49 PM, bradp said:

Does anyone have a pic of what the servo mounting brackets look like in one of the test moonies? I’d be very curious. 

I’d also be curious to know if this can be installed in the same location as the the century II b controller (below the throttle quadrant on the throttle quadrant moonies)... the easily available G3X touch installation manual has the dimensions in it.  Will need to do some measuring ...

I’m somewhat hopeful that the local avionics shop would be willing to let me do the majority of the installation labor and removal of the existing system- especially if they haven’t done a Mooney.  I’m thinking  labor hours on this one all comes down to the brackets and whether fabrication is required.  The wiring and install of the equipment seems stone cold simple per the G3X literature.

Are you looking for the installation Addendum for the GFC 500 in the Mooney?

[Baker Avionics]

If anyone has any questions about the GFC 500, let me know.  The installation is pretty simple and I can help as much as I can.  Not that this is breaking news or anything, but.......The STC has been approved for some models, see below:

 

1.10 Mooney M20M, M20R, M20S

The documents in Table 1-10 apply to Mooney M20M, M20R, and M20S aircraft that were manufactured without Garmin G1000 Integrated Flight Deck Systems.

Table 1-10: Mooney M20M, M20R, M20S Title P/N Rev

GFC 500 Autopilot with Electronic Stability and Protection Part 23 AML STC Installation Manual 190-02291-00 6

GFC 500 Install Manual Addendum, Mooney M20M/M20R/M20S 190-02291-17 2

GFC 500 Autopilot with Envelope Stability and Protection Part 23 AML STC Maintenance Manual 190-02291-01 3

Airplane Flight Manual Supplement GFC 500 Autopilot with ESP Installed in Mooney M20M/M20R/M20S Series 190-02291-18 1

[KSMooniac]

What is the current prognostication for approval of the mid-body and short-body models?

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[Baker Avionics]

2 minutes ago, KSMooniac said:

What is the current prognostication for approval of the mid-body and short-body models?

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If memory serves me correct, it should be available within the next few months, around the same time as the TruTrak.  Go figure!!!!

Edited February 19, 2019 by The Avionics Specialists
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[donkaye]

50 minutes ago, The Avionics Specialists said:

If anyone has any questions about the GFC 500, let me know.  The installation is pretty simple and I can help as much as I can.  Not that this is breaking news or anything, but.......The STC has been approved for some models, see below:

 

1.10 Mooney M20M, M20R, M20S

The documents in Table 1-10 apply to Mooney M20M, M20R, and M20S aircraft that were manufactured without Garmin G1000 Integrated Flight Deck Systems.

Table 1-10: Mooney M20M, M20R, M20S Title P/N Rev

GFC 500 Autopilot with Electronic Stability and Protection Part 23 AML STC Installation Manual 190-02291-00 6

GFC 500 Install Manual Addendum, Mooney M20M/M20R/M20S 190-02291-17 2

GFC 500 Autopilot with Envelope Stability and Protection Part 23 AML STC Maintenance Manual 190-02291-01 3

Airplane Flight Manual Supplement GFC 500 Autopilot with ESP Installed in Mooney M20M/M20R/M20S Series 190-02291-18 1

Has the GFC 500 been approved for INSTALLATION in the M20M, yet?

[Baker Avionics]

5 minutes ago, donkaye said:

Has the GFC 500 been approved for INSTALLATION in the M20M, yet?

#donkaye see above.  The M20M IS on the AML

[MIm20c]

1 hour ago, The Avionics Specialists said:

If anyone has any questions about the GFC 500, let me know.  The installation is pretty simple and I can help as much as I can.  Not that this is breaking news or anything, but.......The STC has been approved for some models,M20M/M20R/M20S 

Could you please comment on the yaw damper install for a long body.  Amount of additional install time required?  Is the rudder trim controlled by the rocker switch in the panel?

[Baker Avionics]

37 minutes ago, MIm20c said:

Could you please comment on the yaw damper install for a long body.  Amount of additional install time required?  Is the rudder trim controlled by the rocker switch in the panel?

PM me your email address. I will send you some info

[smccray]

56 minutes ago, donkaye said:

Has the GFC 500 been approved for INSTALLATION in the M20M, yet?

http://static.garmin.com/pumac/190-02291-18_01.pdf

Looks like the long bodies were approved in January.

[Baker Avionics]

39 minutes ago, MIm20c said:

Could you please comment on the yaw damper install for a long body.  Amount of additional install time required?  Is the rudder trim controlled by the rocker switch in the panel?

For the Yaw Damper Install, there is a support shelf that holds the Pitch and Yaw servos that comes with the kit when purchased.  It is attached via "tube ends" in which the bridle cables of the servos are then attached to. As far as Rudder Trim, it only comes with a Pitch Trim System which is optional and it is controlled on the Yoke

[Baker Avionics]

7 minutes ago, The Avionics Specialists said:

PM me your email address. I will send you some info

As far as the additional time?  I am guessing an additional 10-15 hours at the most.  The install is pretty straight forward and I, personally, am willing to have owners assist in the installation because it would keep the costs down for them.  I would concentrate on the Wiring and they can concentrate on the mechanical parts of the installation.  To me, THAT is what is lacking in this industry.  We used to have that type of maintenance, I call it "The Mayberry Feel".  That is actually one of my motto's for my company.  

[smccray]

5 minutes ago, The Avionics Specialists said:

For the Yaw Damper Install, there is a support shelf that holds the Pitch and Yaw servos that comes with the kit when purchased.  It is attached via "tube ends" in which the bridle cables of the servos are then attached to. As far as Rudder Trim, it only comes with a Pitch Trim System which is optional and it is controlled on the Yoke

Greg- If an owner installs a yaw damper, is the rudder trim system affected?  I don't know that a yaw damper system is really needed in a long body.