Trump's TFR

[Shadrach]

Being based at HGR we've lived with the Camp David TFR since it's inception. It's moderately annoying, but if you're squawking and talking you can fly through most TFRs.

[jackn]

They've just redrawn the TFR on the Hudson River. For a portion, both the northbound and southbound must fly on the West side of the river. Who comes up with this stuff??

Edited November 10, 2016 by jackn

[bradp]

WTF - this will almost certainly result in another hudson river mid air.  Either keep the river open or close it.  This thing is half-witted at best and that W side of the river will become the wild west.

@GeorgePerry- can AOPA implore the Secret Service and the FAA to come up with something logical and less dangerous?

[flyboy0681]

2 hours ago, jackn said:

They've just redrawn the TFR on the Hudson River. For a portion, both the northbound and southbound must fly on the West side of the river. Who comes up with this stuff??

The absurdity in it all is that if an evil doer flying along in his 152 wanted to aim for Trump Tower, the trip there from outside the TFR would be 30 seconds.

[Tony Armour]

3 hours ago, bradp said:

WTF - this will almost certainly result in another hudson river mid air.  Either keep the river open or close it.  This thing is half-witted at best and that W side of the river will become the wild west.

@GeorgePerry- can AOPA implore the Secret Service and the FAA to come up with something logical and less dangerous?

Wrong.... ADSB will save the day 

[jetdriven]

7 hours ago, flyboy0681 said:

For the past few years I've had to take a lot of abuse. I can't wait until Drumpf starts implementing his policies, it will be payback time around here. 

With a republican house and senate, and soon a Supreme Court, they are going to roll back every social program and law since Roosevelt. I'm afraid we are in for a long, expensive, and painful lesson. 

[peevee]

There is talk of him living in NYC full time and not moving into the Whitehouse. Get used to it. It's only going to get worse, along with everything else. 

[Bob - S50]

This thread sort of reminds me about an old pilot union negotiation tale that went something like this:

A union rep holds a meeting with the pilots he represents to give them the details of a tentative settlement with the airline.  He tells them we got you a 40% pay raise, an extra 2 weeks of paid vacation, free medical insurance, double pay for redeyes, only 5 star hotels for the layover, and an extra $30/day per diem.  All we have to do is fly every Wednesday.  From the back of the room, someone yells, "every Wednesday?"

Take what we get and choose to be happy.  I always like to say that unhappy people don't live any longer than the rest of us, they just FEEL like they've lived longer.

[flyboy0681]

16 minutes ago, peevee said:

There is talk of him living in NYC full time and not moving into the Whitehouse. Get used to it. It's only going to get worse, along with everything else. 

I don't see how that is at all possible, however, being in close proximity to NYC I can see him flying up there quite often. What this means to me is that my compatriots who fly around the NY area, from Caldwell to Republic, had better face the reality that a 30 mile TFR will be the norm for years to come. And based on history of past presidential visits to NYC and the effect it had on traffic, New Yorker's are not going to be happy.

I'm just wondering how republicans will react when Trump uses AF1 as his own private jet, at $250k of taxpayers dollars per hour. It will be very interesting to see things now that the shoe is on the other foot.

[jetdriven]

after 8 years of deligitimizing that "secret Muslim", the birther madness (trump was the biggest mouth"  and the endless stream of racist memes and outrage about "that N-----" and the republican obstructionism and their sole goal to "deny Obama a second term"....

 NOW it's time to respect the office of the president, NOW it's time to mend the divide, NOW it's time to get over it. Well, I didnt like Romney, but because he was an elitist out of touch rich guy. Not because he wanted to round up brown people and deport them, say degrading things about Mexicans, including federal judges, stiff hundreds of contractors, blow up invest,nets and leave investors with debt, laugh about "grabbing women by the pussy" and all the other revolting things he has said and done. And the 20% of america that voted for him, you are just as revolting for supporting him. *redacted this part* That is not America. It's racist zenophobic trash.  They won this time. 

Edited November 11, 2016 by jetdriven

[flyboy0681]

Just now, jetdriven said:

after 8 years of deligitimizing that "secret Muslim", the birther madness (trump was the biggest mouth"  and the endless stream of racist memes and outrage about "that N-----" and the republican obstructionism and their sole goal to "deny Obama a second term"....

 NOW it's time to respect the office of the president, NOW it's time to mend the divide, NOW it's time to get over it. Well, I didnt like Romney, but because he was an elitist out of touch rich guy. Not because he wanted to round up brown people and deport them, say degrading things about Mexicans, including federal judges, stiff hundreds of contractors, blow up invest,nets and leave investors with debt, laugh about "grabbing women by the pussy" and all the other revolting things he has said and done. And the 20% of america that voted for him, you are just as revolting for supporting him. F--- you and your pussy grabbing  candidate. That is not America. It's racist zenophobic trash.  They won this time. 

Ouch.

I don't like the guy, but I'm willing to give him a chance to see how it all plays out and would like all Americans to stand behind their president. For better or worse.

 

[co2bruce]

Wow, I think I will leave this site for a while. I thought it was about flying Mooneys. Bye 

[Andy95W]

I'm going to be hopeful and optimistic.

I will say that after 15 months of saying all the wrong things, purely intended to keep his base supporters angry and riled up, since Tuesday he has said and done all the RIGHT things.

For most of his life, Trump was a Democrat.  Now, as a New York Republican, he is still pretty liberal on social issues (despite what he said to keep the religious right wing angry and riled up).  So perhaps the country won't back slide too far.

And I am interested in his renegotiation of some of our trade deals which benefited big corporations at the expense of decent, hard working Americans.

Hang on, folks.  It's gonna be a bumpy ride.

[flyboy0681]

I agree with Bruce and am going to stay silent for the time being and concentrate on flying.

[peevee]

5 hours ago, flyboy0681 said:

Ouch.

I don't like the guy, but I'm willing to give him a chance to see how it all plays out and would like all Americans to stand behind their president. For better or worse.

 

I was too, until I started reading about his cabinet pics. It's going to be ugly. 

[Andy95W]

2 hours ago, peevee said:

I was too, until I started reading about his cabinet pics. It's going to be ugly. 

I'm going to stay optimistic.  He didn't listen to his advisers during the campaign, who says he'll listen to his cabinet?

[Tony Armour]

8 hours ago, jetdriven said:

after 8 years of deligitimizing that "secret Muslim", the birther madness (trump was the biggest mouth"  and the endless stream of racist memes and outrage about "that N-----" and the republican obstructionism and their sole goal to "deny Obama a second term"....

 NOW it's time to respect the office of the president, NOW it's time to mend the divide, NOW it's time to get over it. Well, I didnt like Romney, but because he was an elitist out of touch rich guy. Not because he wanted to round up brown people and deport them, say degrading things about Mexicans, including federal judges, stiff hundreds of contractors, blow up invest,nets and leave investors with debt, laugh about "grabbing women by the pussy" and all the other revolting things he has said and done. And the 20% of america that voted for him, you are just as revolting for supporting him. *redacted this part* That is not America. It's racist zenophobic trash.  They won this time. 

20% ? You must be using the math that Killary uses. You sound butt hurt because you lost. It's hard to believe anyone voted for that liking piece of crap witch ! Go burn some more American flags and police cars with the rest of her sorry ass supporters.

Yea, I don't think this stuff belongs here either but I'll be damn if you get to say that bullshit without a response.

good day 

[Guest]

7 hours ago, N1395W said:

I'm going to be hopeful and optimistic.

I will say that after 15 months of saying all the wrong things, purely intended to keep his base supporters angry and riled up, since Tuesday he has said and done all the RIGHT things.

For most of his life, Trump was a Democrat.  Now, as a New York Republican, he is still pretty liberal on social issues (despite what he said to keep the religious right wing angry and riled up).  So perhaps the country won't back slide too far.

And I am interested in his renegotiation of some of our trade deals which benefited big corporations at the expense of decent, hard working Americans.

Hang on, folks.  It's gonna be a bumpy ride.

Free trade with countries who share similar standards of living and wage scales seems to work.  free trade with lower wage countries is sure to be unfair.

As for corporations leaving our countries we all share some blame, we all want our products at low prices and we want maximum growth from our investments.  As a result companies do what they can to lower their costs.

Clarence 

[Andy95W]

Just now, M20Doc said:

Free trade with countries who share similar standards of living and wage scales seems to work.  free trade with lower wage countries is sure to be unfair.

As for corporations leaving our countries we all share some blame, we all want our products at low prices and we want maximum growth from our investments.  As a result companies do what they can to lower their costs.

Clarence 

Yeah, it's a quandary.  Like enjoying the price of inexpensive vegetables but ignoring the fact they were probably picked by illegal immigrants.

[peevee]

29 minutes ago, N1395W said:

I'm going to stay optimistic.  He didn't listen to his advisers during the campaign, who says he'll listen to his cabinet?

LOL valid point. 

[aviatoreb]

This thread is in danger of sliding into Timothy territory.

But I can't help myself.  I live in a tiny little town in way upstate NY, 15 miles from the Canadian border. I'm feeling pretty good right now about the fact that I am not near any large cities or downwind from any large cities in case of, you know, a nuclear temper tantrum.  And if need be and things get bad, I think of the Van Trapp family walking out of Nazi territory.  Actually that story in the sound of music is true.  They left and settled near Stowe NY.  There is a really nice ski lodge there run in the name of the family still.  I highly recommend it to anyone looking for someplace fun to fly to - land at Stowe, VT.

I remember about 10 years ago when Walmart wanted to move to town.  Our little town had a nice downtown, it still does, but many of the shops have closed.  Its hard to compete against cheap stuff imported from abroad, from China etc. I voted and spoke out then against letting Walmart come. I was part of the elitist resistance to Walmart. I was big on supporting the small local shops.  We were booed out and blamed for being elitist then.  I still supported the small local shops but some of them closed and now I pretty much need to go to the walmart for certain things that simply are not available locally otherwise anymore.  Now this election one thing is how its China's fault and Mexico's fault for cheap good and bad trade deals and it is the current president's fault. I feel like the people who wanted a Walmart 10 years ago should take some blame too.  I bet they voted for the change because they blame the president that they lost their job at mom and pop hardware store 5 years ago.  All I am saying is we all did it...and the president can't fix anything whomever it might be if we don't all take some personal responsibility.  Shop local.  Support your neighbor. I'm still considered elitist for saying that.  That's the word of the day.  Elitist.

[mooniac58]

Going to lock this one up guys - please remember we don't allow political discussions at Mooneyspace.