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Little dude was clapping for the new owner but confused why he didn't get to get in.

I bought my first airplane, a 1975 Mooney M20C. It is a very pretty plane. But it is out of annual about 3 years. I have to get a Special Flight Permit so the guy that has the shop can fly it to his airport for the annual and a few things we think should get done before flying it home. My first airplane is a Mooney. I feel as if I am bragging just saying that.

I'm hoping thats how this Bonanza turns out for me. It started otherwise but I'm trying to find a way to make lemonade from lemons. The ABS endorsed mechanic doing the annual now combed thru the logs and said somewhere they counted different numbers but he worked off the airframe and caught the math. I'm sure (want to believe) it wasn't malicious intentions. The fact is it still have 300 hrs on a top. I doubt the seller would have done a top 300 hrs ago if he knew the engine was at TBO. Ive decided to do the D'Shannon 550 conversion, new prop, and tip tanks to get an extra 450 useful. Beechtalk is saying 2022 for new 550s. My hope is the 520 I have now makes it until the new engine is available. Guess I find myself in the midst of another project plane. Don't let my wife see the receipts

Carusoam, I flew my Mooney for years with a bad speaker having no idea what I was missing. Since replacement a few years ago I now find that speaker extremely beneficial. It gets hot down here in Atlanta so when I taxi around my home drome the overhead speaker is monitoring the frequency. At airports with AWOS I’ll dial that in on the speaker before startup. There are times it’s nice to not have a headset on while in the airplane. Edit: I just thought of another "feature" that a pro on this forum shared with me - When on an ILS/LOC approach you select the NAV audio on the overhead speaker, the Morse code identifier can be heard in the background providing confirmation that it is working all the way down the chute. It's not too distracting since it is not in your headset but can still be heard slightly muted since the sound is in the cabin. Just an easy way to confirm the ILS/LOC is operating while your going down to mins.

Although this may be true with boats, I can’t think of an airplane owner l know who was actually happy to part with their bird. Glad you’re replacing it with another terrific machine, and staying flying!

Yesterday I was able to remove the access panel and dissemble the stall switch. I found it very easy to get to the switch, maybe because our M20J Allegro is a late model and has the access panel right close to the switch? Anyway, when I pulled out the switch I noticed it is probably the Mooney version and not the Safe Flight switch (according to other topics on MS where I saw that the Safe Flight switch it is a totally enclosed mechanism). I then realized that the switch was totally clean and the problem was with the screw on the movement axis of the vane. The screw was so tight that implied huge strength to move the vane. I loosened a bit the screw and it got again with free (gravitical) movement. I reassembled everything again and did a test flight and everything got back to normal. Today I did another test flight and just right on exterior inspection I confirmed the vane was still with free movement, and so it didn’t got stuck after a few hours like before. Also, on today’s flight the stall horn sounded on flare as before. I will post pictures for reference and help on future visits to this topic. thanks to all for your help. Cheers Fredi

A couple years after my engine was overhauled, cylinders were pulled off and sent to Sal's for some reason. When reinstalled, they picked up a number from the work order and entered it as the TSMOH. I see what they did. Don't know why it was never caught. About 250 hours, not in my favor. Cars, trucks, airplanes have come and gone over the years with no fanfare. The Bonanza I had for almost 24 years was different. I flew it to New Orleans for the new owner on the condition the take me to Jackson, MS to meet with a customer. I caught the airlines home. One last trip in the Bo, told the buyer and his CFI everything I could think of, bought their lunch in Jackson and went back to the airport. I couldn't go into the FBO, I couldn't take one last look. That would have been too tough. Said goodbye, put my head down, looked at my feet and walked to the airline terminal to get my rental car. No, it wasn't a happy day, there were far too many great memories, friends, places, deeds involved with that airplane.

It would be helpful if airport identifiers in posts also included the city & State.

I’ve used Turo before In Florida. My son and I are driving and he said what if we’re pulled over? I never thought about that. We start looking around, no registration, no proof of insurance., and I don’t look like I could be Hector Martinez. That being said I’ve got a car reserved on turo but the closest one that wasn’t a Maserati was in Danbury an hour away. I’m calling budget at new haven directly this morning. Any other ideas would be welcome. I love this group, always good ideas. And yes She’s a hockey goalie. Lawrence

When you consider that identifiers are location specific, that's probably better than something like "Springfield" (all 50 states have a Springfield), but I agree, identifying the identifier on first time use in a thread would be helpful...unless reference is made to ATL which is clearly the center of the aviation universe and is a more acceptable descriptor than Hotlanta.

@M20 OglerI feel a little bit like Anthony ( @carusoam ) for doing this but . . . I adjusted your exposure

Spent a few hours this evening helping him get comfortable landing. As he and his CFI are about to take off at dusk, they hit a bird just as they are pulling nose wheel off the ground. I end up taking them to waffle house with my wife and 15 month kid at 23:00 and dropping them off at hotel for the night. Oh the joys of GA flying.

Nice panel and Yes! to the Britain autopilot!! That thing is pure genius. If it isn’t working properly or if you need some insight, feel free to reach out. -Dave

Using regular names for airports it total heresy! How can we possibly maintain the mystique of flying and personal superiority without our special "code"? Also, making everyone look up an identifier proves you know something they don't and that's a tremendous boost. Who wouldn't rather say they'd actually been to BFE than Brownfield, Tx? NO! A resounding NO!

I would maintain that we have that due to our separate left/right fuel tanks and lines. Simply switch tanks and land as soon as possible. And I find it fairly ironic that we are discussing “duplicate or secondary functionality for safety reasons” for our single engine airplanes.

I’ve been here for a couple years now. This week I finally became a Mooney owner. Flew my new to me M20C home from SMO to 1O3 yesterday and am absolutely thrilled by the airplane. The first upgrade on my list is to install shoulder harnesses. I think I’d prefer the inertial reel kind. Anyone here do this recently? How did it go? Seth

I've heard it said the 2 greatest days in owning a plane are the day you buy it and the day you sell it. Today I'm closing the chapter on my Mooney ownership and it's more bitter than sweet, and really not a happy day for me. It will be for the buyer but I'll be sad to see him fly my(his) plane away. We all need to take a moment and appreciate the remarkable planes we fly. Crazy fast, efficient, and economical (relatively speaking). Mooney's are uniquely special and having one that is fully sorted out and ready to fly when you are is simply a joy. I'm sad for that joy to end for me and happy for the next individual to enjoy this pleasure.

Here's what happens with the Brittain AH II system installed The first half of this leg was 1/2 in building cumulus at 8,000 ft dodging thunderstorms. The second half was flying through moderate to severe turbulence in western KS and eastern CO. Love this system! Note: changes in pressure altitude associated with going from 29.73" pressure to 29.90". Groundspeed variations due to turbulence. It was rough, yet the altitude hold worked flawlessly.

David, @DonKaye has close to this setup in his 93 ish Bravo. Also @kortopates Paul Kortopates may have some files he could share from Saavy clients.

My G5’s are identical. It’s possible all 3 of yours are off by a bit. It takes awhile but eventually the AP doesn’t like something and kicks off. From what I understand the gfc500 is made to be overly cautious (makes sense tbh) if it sees anything outside of very strict boundaries it kicks off. I would start asking your installer to confirm all 3 calibrations are set correctly or have them re do all 3 so they match. Keep in mind I’m not an avionics installer. I just happen to have had this conversation with my shop a few days ago when discussing things around my install. I would ask if the 507 was actually calibrated, if a new one was installed but not calibrated you are in the same spot. I would think if garmin was involved this would’ve been gone over but who knows. Pretty sure your gtx AHRS has nothing to do with it, it’s separate and not used for the AP. No it matters for all GFC500 installs. They all need to be calibrated together from what I understand at least.

This thread is worthless without pics

J's don't have a controller.

Some may find my numbers eerily similar….

$8 on ebay https://www.ebay.com/itm/203501907955?epid=27038118330&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&hash=item2f61a8aff3:g:MnAAAOSweXpg0lXq&amdata=enc%3AAQAGAAACkPYe5NmHp%2B2JMhMi7yxGiTJkPrKr5t53CooMSQt2orsSjVt3vLKCbov98Z19qhuwY31CC7kKJt5uTqqTzvqpVAjiBsA67X8M5VI8VM0XtZRYn1rpQaApog%2B6FNxeKY25nUxAtB9lMWKALWYaFxpicX47UM6z86aJ8cZeqD75zDq9dDXQi7U1zCy6UeBBarPcPQSjTsrYwKwA1UrmCkwcMoZnGejjbiCcAqlNOUjKD0RyUQMlsbXt%2FGAVXk7jLZCzgEWQ7JrVC7eGdHEDSR%2BRhim2zJJBbkjs%2BQPxhVyg17i2JzQT%2FFucWBx6MkcMfHPphvJO745HvaJGwfOIDmGUt5W16ZkAn8b1vUpw6gx3l1ZnXwALfUBNLTTceUd%2B3u1ntON9Aiweou5HSnSfk3fAc%2FuGCOJVyAKo8NYrcxjuNrPkvuuBqSdkW%2FS3ABbUwPu028AHSALjfVK2qz2jQLUWHJes2cYd9skoMPlLmCNl94ge3wEaO1lVjJUq8yFtdljEKxbbReFTn0GstluTLuWzd4fZyTkK2b0sOABkOQ9HHQR9QHqsqEbnZ9WFi6MQ9PwAcHJEo6lZriYbq8pHHP8NElyk5lbfa%2FWxXP%2BpDP%2FU%2FSvQGNwp7%2BGIqn%2B8o7kswzBL6PZybbNa8kzvNt%2FzGgue07XJRxG8ipehuCvTNtNTdqh1XzYE82LJEsCqDC%2FniL%2BC0REVqbgoyuiei%2F01pVb4P%2FWGHswr6VCtNzn8Y7NwcVPFP%2FzLWMdL2xv57kPCttf5KbXg%2BRmcvMignd5rfTL0BbyjMa545Gwe%2ByEW2d%2BqsmTV3%2FGZtwPuInMRqLNQGdvjbCUusOkpRqhXSRww%2FCKAqKt87HRGaarWYN8nRueoXOML|ampid%3APL_CLK|clp%3A2334524 probably ships from China.

Does your g3x match your g5 in attitude exactly? Ask you installer to check the calibration within the GMC-507 (the control unit for the AP) there is a 3rd AHRS unit in it that is used as a 3rd comparison. If not calibrated correctly it will kick the AP off due to it reading bad data between the units.

I have it hooked up in my plane and when I press the TOGA button, the GFC-500 goes to GA mode (pitch up, wings level) and the GTN removes the screen you need to tap to sequence to the missed approach segment. It works well and stops you from having to look over to the navigator. I would recommend it but if you didn't have it I'm sure you'd get used to the one extra button push quickly. For me it is more about not having to look over to the navigator to select the correct spot on the screen for the button than actually removing one button press.

I am a student pilot and a mooney is in my short list of first airplanes. I think I joined this site more than year ago already and I have posted before and I enjoy the insight that I have learned here about general aviation ( I mostly work I’m the commercial side ). I hope to one day repay the people in this site for all the information and help they have provided to basically everyone free of charge and from just being just awesome people. Issues arise everywhere in our society and this forum is no exception because that just life but it’s very minor here. I think that owning a good plane is one thing but being part of community that’s as exceptional as the one here is definitely a plus of mooney ownership. I hope to one day be as good as @corusoam when it comes to bullet points :-)

First things first....for the love of God go to the sensorcon website and get a real monoxide detector. This should be done ASAP like the shoulder harnesses. Yes it is that important. https://sensorcon-sensing-products-by-molex.myshopify.com get the least expensive one they have and velcro it to the panel in clear sight. something on the "nice to do" list should be all new engine controls...prop. mix, throttle etc...many threads on this Then start shopping for your flat panel screen to include engine monitor etc etc..... On second thought,,,just fly it up to Canada and give the doc 40-50k and turn him loose.... Looks like a nice ride....

I will three stooges poke you in the eye.

Yes, what A64 said. The slower you get the less effective the speed brakes become. The location on the wing contributes to the relative ineffectiveness at slow/high angle of attack. It is not just that at lower speeds they have less effect. They do but when the angle of attack gets higher the air flows over the brakes. I have left them out on purpose to feel the difference. Landing all they do is help reduce the “Mooney float” a bit. On take off it is hard to feel much difference. Asymmetrical deployment is very noticeable at speed but almost insignificant landing or taking off. I had one fail to deploy on the Rocket while still under warranty. (1995) and played with them just to see what would happen.

Another option is to reskin the original part in carbon. Or to make a plug and start fresh. I needed the same part but no BK autopilot housing to start from - so I made a plug from pink foam and skinned half of it in carbon. Then I removed the first half from the plug, and skinned the second half to close it in. Then micro and finish work. Result was perfect for what I needed.

A Mooney Museum project was put in place by Dr. Jerry Chen, CEO Mooney 2014. In fact, the very first 2014 Mooney was sold via an auction [winner was awarded aircraft at AirVenture 2014] and all sale proceeds were to go to the creation of the Mooney Museum, which was to be built on site at the Kerrville factory. Much of the equipment/machinery removed from the factory for upgrades was stored on site for placement in the future museum.

Garmin 650XI, GTX 345, GMA 345, Garmin 106b, Britain Autopilot, KX 155, Voltage meter, EGT.

Congratulations on the C. The best value in general aviation. My C had the inertia reel shoulder harnesses when I got it and they seem to work great. I hope to not find out if they actually work. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I’m a non-Mooney owner. I own a 1951 Cessna 170A and am getting my private it in. Have just a few more hours to go. I would like to have a Mooney someday. I worked at Mooney as an engineer from late-2013 right after the Chinese bought them to mid-2017 when I started seeing the writing on the wall. Now I’m an engineer at Air Tractor. Even though I’m not a Mooney owner I enjoy this site because there is lots of good Mooney and general aviation information available. I also like reading about what is happening at the factory when those posts arise. I’ve made but a few posts since 2013, but check the forum almost daily. I dislike the drama and general internet pettiness that is often associated with internet forums. It is so much sometimes that I contemplate never returning here and in turn missing out on all of the good information available just to not see the drama. Stephan

I sent our speedbrakes and controller out for the exact same issue a few months ago (Columbia 400). Initially I wanted to just send the problem speedbrake out, but precise flight strongly recommended sending both with the controller. They updated our controller to the latest and greatest and went through both brakes. Total cost was $2069.50

Not recently but a number of years ago I added the Alpha Aviation ones to my F model. https://alphaaviation.com/mooney-m20-front-inertial-reel-replacement-upgrade-push-button/

I took many pictures as we disassembled it, but there's not much to see there. One the first page of this you will find some pics of the plane.

Recently I noticed during preflight test that my right brake did not deploy. The series 100 circa mid-1990 brakes don’t have the interlock to prevent asymmetric deployment. It has since been repaired by Precise Flight (the motors aren’t sealed and it apparently got water in the motor during a rainstorm when it was parked outside). I tried deploying the working left brake in flight at approach speed and, although there was a noticeable yaw, it wasn’t excessive and the airplane was easily controllable. Skip

Meanwhile, I sent out ten requests to shops within 150 miles of my base and only received four replies. I think one of the (many) reasons that I did so well in my career is because even when my plate was full and I couldn't possibly take on another client, I always responded to requests for my service simply because I never knew when I would need to call on them should things have slowed down.

There's two camps of advice here. The price is more like $4500 if you send both brakes and the control box in, which is what Precise recommends if you call them. If they are still under warranty, then send them in. If not, then see if you can fix them on field. These speed brakes are really simple and I agree with others, you and your A&P should at least open them up and inspect. Worm gears and springs are easy to lube or replace. Lastly, I disagree that only one deploying is a safety issue. Bottom line, speed brakes are not required, otherwise Mooney would have had them as part of the airframe certification process. If only one comes up, drag increases, but there is no loss of stability or aileron control. Do I recommend flying around with one speed brake - no, but if it happens and you can't get it to go back down with the switch, pull the SB circuit breaker and it should retract. Lastly, my advice should not be construed as advocating for deferred Mx. It isn't. If the speed brakes don't work, you should get them fixed one way or another. They are a useful tool.

I do not have a scanner, but I do lots of printing. If you can create a model, I would be happy to print it. Just make sure you use solids, not surfaces, when you create the model.

Well, at least we’re arguing about airplanes instead of politics or COVID.

Aloha All! I’m Anik, the pilot Leon Huffman’s daughter, and Sports Medicine Physician. Thanks for your concerns for him. He and my Mom both suffered burst fractures to their T12 vertebrae. They did not have any other internal injuries. We are so grateful for the miracle of their survival that day! My sister had been waiting for them at the tarmac in Birmingham at their intended destination watching flight aware and saw them make a turn and disappear off the radar, with a call then followed up from EMS. We are so thankful that our Dad was able to maneuver the landing and avoid power lines, homes, cars and trees and give our family the opportunity to make many more memories all together with their daughters and grandchildren, as well as avoid impacting anyone else. My Mom had spinal stabilization surgery and is doing very well overall. She remained neuro-intact. My Dad’s bone fragments displaced into his spinal cord with the trauma. In the initial pictures of the crash landing, you can see him still sitting in the Mooney. He could not feel his legs from the moment of impact. He had emergent neurosurgical decompression, and then spent about a week inpatient on the trauma service. He is continuing with intensive spinal cord rehab for functional recovery. He’s doing phenomenally well overall and maintaining the mental fortitude and attention to detail I’ve loved and admired about him my whole life. He gave me permission to post his email address if you would like to dialogue pilot to pilot, or offer your aeronautical aloha on his continued road to recovery. Leon@rhanet.com I can see how this is a supportive community and a wonderful place for collaboration. Sending massive aloha for continued prosperity enjoying the altitudes and adventures in your collective genius zone of flying!

Welcome aboard Stuart… Let’s see if I can piece some things together…. 1) MSers are people… 2) People often have difficulty getting their thoughts out in a typed format, the way they intend… 3) What they say in their state/country…. Can easily be misinterpret across the Mooney world… 4) Often people are trying to be Helpful on a topic… and accidentally say something that bashes somebody else’s idea… 5) The more you work with large groups of people… the more this becomes an obvious challenge that occurs amongst people… 6) Consider the audience we have… from 20s through 80s…. Dozens of countries… six continents…. Several languages. 7) Not everyone thinks the same way… 8) Things really go awry when the thread gets really long…. People may forget what the title or OP were… then drift occurs… 9) It is never appropriate to bash somebody’s for sale thread… but it occurs somewhat accidentally… somebody will ask a question about the item… somebody else will add their negative experience… 10) It takes time to behave like an adult… in a public forum… I watch it happen here every day… 11) We are all on the same team… with the same challenges… we have rules… but nobody wrote them out… If I wrote them out… would you read them? If they were longer than five items… how many people would remember them? 12) We have an entrance fee, and a method to skirt that when unable fees… 13) If you didn’t like what somebody said… did you think to contact them directly? 14) Some statements are easy to mis-interpret… every now and then I get a PM replete with guidance… 15) It takes time to be part of a community… a lot of time. 16) There are many MSers that are unable to post… for a variety of reasons… pseudonyms enable people to be here and share ideas openly… 17) There is also a huge amount of friendship going on around here…. Some people will say some of the weirdest things about another guy’s plane… several states away… one MSer actually listed another MSer’s plane for sale… an April first kind of joke… 18) It’s hard to tell the players without a score card… 19) When you see something really weird going on… ask. Did you mean that? It could be two MSers that know each other really well being funny… 20) Everyone knows taking care of planes is a challenge… we all know that planes in Florida can be forever planes like they are in Arizona…. If you want to have some fun… find Chris…. Make a post that says planes that live in Florida will rust out in five years… 21) If you can’t find Chris… he will find you… and write a paragraph of why this isn’t true for everyone…. Sometimes he will send a PM… 22) Try to get to know people… we have thousands of people here… some are like you… others are not… 23) No two are alike…. 24) Everyone has something to offer… even it is only a pic posted in the today’s flight thread… very often advice comes from people with experience outside the aviation world… 25) Know that complaints don’t make things naturally better… 26) How you say things… is as important as what you say…. -Mom 27) My favorite… watch what day, or time of that day something got written… you might recognize some patterns… Basic rules around here… 1) Be nice to everyone… 2) Be forgiving of other people… everyone makes mistakes… 3) Try hard… to get your point across clearly to everyone… 4) Consider what it is like for… people with less time… people with less money… people with less skill… people with less opportunity… people with less knowledge… people with memory challenges… people with a handicap… people without a class III medical… 5) Consider visiting the Introduce yourself thread… and it’s half brother… new member groups… 6) Also consider you are PIC for yourself… but not for other people…. If somebody is doing something different than you would like… how do you attempt to make a difference? 7) Oddly, some of the most annoying people I have met… hang out on MS…. They are the high performance people… doctors, lawyers, mechanics, business owners, captains of airliners, military pilots, some even fly helicopters…. Watch out for the retired guy… the list goes on… student pilots, low time pilots, pilots with thousands of hours…. All Mooney pilots… or wannabes…. I have since flown with many of these high performance people, had lunch with others, met up with them at fly-ins and Mooney Summit… They are not ogres… they are great people who i couldn’t really get to know through their keyboard… 8) Use AMUs in conversations about pricing… this helps keep the spam to a minimum… everyone knows what you are discussing except the outsiders… 9) Don’t use foul language… it may be normal for you, but it is definitely not normal for everyone… 10) Don’t be afraid to lend a hand…. Point out a thread, do a search, rotate a pic, make a recommendation, forward a link, for a newbie… 11) Things that don’t fly… discussions regarding politics, non aviation topics, sexism, racism, ageism, and violence… and things of that nature… Last I checked… we are all on the same team… Go MS! PP fun only… MS is one part serious, one part fun, one part enjoyable for everyone… It IS worth the price of admission… even if you only paid with your eyeballs and clicks… Best regards, -a-

Welcome aboard 22! If you have purchased the bulbs already… The new bulb will give a hint of how it needs to be put in… If it has two ears… they will go in slots… a rotation of the bulb will get the ears into the lock… A spring is needed to keep the bulb in the lock… Pushing gently will compress the spring… while rotating to move the ears in or out… Be gentle, glass bulbs can break in your fingers… Do a search for LED lights for that application… you might find some interesting reading… Pp thoughts only, not a mechanic… Best regards, -a-

Check out how much the 64 gallon kit weighs before you make your decision too. I'm a fan of useful load and would never "pay" that much weight for bladders, but others happily do, YMMV, etc. If your tanks are clean now, I'd say you're over the hump and should just go ahead and reseal. Sent from my LM-V405 using Tapatalk

I know you are focused on GPS, but there are two other things that are invaluable in a 231 that you should consider. One is a moving map with a weather subscription. You can get that with an MX20 or MX200, but the MX20 is old technology and not supported. The GTN750 also provides it. If you fly longer trips you will invariably deal with fronts and weather changes. It is possible to get wx on an iPad with a Stratus, but XM WX on a 750 is much better, both in screen definition and shorter lag times. The other is, change out all the coax and install new low resistance coax for the comms in particular. Finally did that in my aircraft this past year and that took care of a nagging problem where I would lose ATC at extended ranges or with big weather in the vicinity.