Mooney crash - not a crash thread

[Yetti]

I don't like starting crash threads or commenting on them.

For this one I am just very very impressed at the intact cabin and that the door is not even jammed.  tail bent 45 degrees and a third of the wing tip gone.  Looks like some cartwheel action. 

[MIm20c]

Can someone help with the model of that Mooney?  Looks like a feathered prop but the front end doesn’t look like a rocket. 

[skykrawler]

Sure pushed up a big pile of dirt

[ArtVandelay]

Other than the prop, looks like a J to me.


Tom

[jackn]

Looks like a rocket to me. 

[kortopates]

Maybe @Yetti could provide the link where this was found so we wouldn't have to guess which airframe. But I haven't heard of any more recent Mooney mishaps beyond all the recent gear incidents the past couple weeks, so hope this isn't a new one.

But most even with most fatals I've seen, the cabin is typically very intact. Although the cabin will easily survive 8+G's on impact the occupants still tend to suffer blunt force trauma well before the cabin becomes deformed. 

[exM20K]

cowl flaps look like 231, prop looks like a rocket

[MIm20c]

3J1 Ridgeland, SC according to the thread on BT. 

Here is the Link

[Yetti]

https://fox28media.com/news/local/single-engine-airplane-crashes-in-ridgeland

 

[Mjknick@gmail.com]

Looks like J


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[M016576]

6 hours ago, bluehighwayflyer said:

It just looks like a ‘77 or ‘78 M20J with a three bladed prop and wing root and dorsal fin fairings to me.  Agreed that the prop appears feathered but I think it is just crash damage. It could be a Missile conversion, but I don’t think so.  The cowling looks like OEM M20J to me. 

Jim

It is definitely NOT a missile- the cowling is too short and the exhaust isn’t the same.  I think it’s just a stock J with a 3 bladed prop

[takair]

Registration is a J.  Can’t figure out the prop.  I thought it was a Rocket, but others mentioned the cowl isn’t right....it does seem stock J.  

[Davidv]

Cowl flaps on a J?

[M016576]

1 hour ago, bluehighwayflyer said:

Yep.  They look just like that.  

Jim

Cowl flaps are removed on the missile... I think they are removed on a rocket, too.

[Mjknick@gmail.com]

I’ve seen that prop on a C model


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[Hank]

9 minutes ago, Mjknick@gmail.com said:

I’ve seen that prop on a C model

My C sports a 3-blade Hartzell. I'm used to shutting down withthe prop control fully forward. Not sure how if would look pulled back. But this one is definitely not at low pitch.

[M016576]

17 minutes ago, Hank said:

My C sports a 3-blade Hartzell. I'm used to shutting down withthe prop control fully forward. Not sure how if would look pulled back. But this one is definitely not at low pitch.

Makes me wonder if the pilot accidentally grabbed the condition lever when they meant to grab the mixture....

[carusoam]

Oddity of a Missile or Rocket... during a power outage... the prop feathers...

Missiles and Rockets use the K’s extended cowl.

@mike_elliott landing accident, NO injuries, see News article above for additional minimal details...

 

Just sharing the news...

Best regards,

-a-

[Dan208]

The spar in the wing must be very impressive.  I am happy to see the tip all mangled and many feet of wing still attached and there . I watched a documentary on Lear jets and their history.  Watching them build the wing was cool , way over built. 5 or 6 spars if memory serves. 1 piece complete then attached to the fuselage. 

I would love to see how an acclaim is assembled , stamped , riveted,  ect.

[peevee]

13 hours ago, M016576 said:

Cowl flaps are removed on the missile... I think they are removed on a rocket, too.

Rocket has cowl flaps

[M016576]

7 hours ago, carusoam said:

Oddity of a Missile or Rocket... during a power outage... the prop feathers...

 

Less an oddity- more a function of using a prop/engine combo pulled from a twin.

[peevee]

3 hours ago, M016576 said:

Less an oddity- more a function of using a prop/engine combo pulled from a twin.

It's also bad times if the prop governor fails on takeoff

[Yetti]

10 minutes ago, peevee said:

It's also bad times if the prop governor fails on takeoff

It was explained to me that the nose of twin props is pressurized with air/nitrogen so if the governor/ oil pressure  fails the prop goes full pitch.

[M016576]

30 minutes ago, peevee said:

It's also bad times if the prop governor fails on takeoff

But much better times if the engine fails anywhere (16:1 glide ratio).  Everything’s a trade off in aviation...

Edited February 24, 2019 by M016576

[peevee]

12 minutes ago, M016576 said:

But much better times if the engine fails anywhere (16:1 glide ratio).  Everything’s a trade off in aviation...

You realize the prop will try to feather? The glide ratio is probably a lot less than 16 to 1 in that instance