One dead three injured

[bonal]

Heard an emergency call from Sonoma Sky park today as we were flying home so looked to see if any news but discovered two days ago a Cirrus SR22 went down two minutes after take off with one killed and three injured. The photos show the wreckage and the parachute was deployed. Condolences and prayers for the victims and their families.

[201er]

http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2017/07/cirrus-sr22t-n821sg-ddlv-llc-fatal.html

Sounds like the chute killed them 

Edited July 15, 2017 by 201er

[Marauder]

http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2017/07/cirrus-sr22t-n821sg-ddlv-llc-fatal.html
Sounds like the chute killed them 

It was deployed too low. I think you need to be at least 500' but it sounds like he was lower.

How does it feel to be grounded? Got my plane back today.


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[David Medders]

At least for some models, the minimum parachute deploy altitude is 1,000 feet AGL.

We had a passenger die in a low altitude deploy near KADS in 2011.

I fear CAPS may lead some to a false sense of security.

[Guest]

This is very sad.

Clarence

[Tommy]

Chute, just like ejector seat and other safety devices, can kill / injure if misused but it does save life when it's used appropriately.

[Jerry 5TJ]

Lots of open space around Sonoma Skypark. Plus there are numerous vineyards where landing parallel to rows is a good option for an emergency.  (Your insurer won't be happy with the massive bill from the vineyard) 

But it takes a quick & decisive mental transition from "all is normal" to "must land it now" and I'm sorry this pilot wasn't able to pull it off. 

Perhaps his pre-departure self-brief should have included a minimum altitude for chute use just as we might have a minimum altitude in mind before trying "the impossible turn" back to the field.

Even a "zero-zero" ejection seat won't get you out of all situations.   Committing suicide to avoid being killed is pointless.  

  

 

[MyNameIsNobody]

Hope others survive...

[Bug Smasher]

Tragic. Lots of flat space for an off field landing in the area. 

[Browncbr1]

Too bad they felt compelled to pull the chute when such a big field was there

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, Browncbr1 said:

Too bad they felt compelled to pull the chute when such a big field was there

It may be a pre-programmed response "pull this handle if something goes wrong". When I've flown in a Cirrus the pilot made a call when reaching CAPS altitude, below that it was glide and land like the rest of us.

Clarence

[PTK]

Amazing anyone survived in that mangled mess. Sounds like he stopped flying the plane and hanged his fate and his pax's fate up to the parachute which he improperly deployed. Sad he made some wrong decisions. They cost him his life. I hope his pax survive this. Are Cirrus pilots preprogrammed when in trouble to depend on and pull the chute? 

 

 

[Hank]

1 hour ago, PTK said:

Are Cirrus pilots preprogrammed when in trouble to depend on and pull the chute? 

I thought this was the gist of the Cirrus training claimed to reduce fatal accidents. "Pull early and pull often."

[peevee]

Just now, Hank said:

I thought this was the gist of the Cirrus training claimed to reduce fatal accidents. "Pull early and pull often."

sells more airplanes, too

 

a guy had an engine failure departing a CO mountain airport this late winter/early spring. He landed it on a mountain top, no chute. He and his wife walked away.

[peevee]

32 minutes ago, bluehighwayflyer said:

Correct. He chose wisely. If memory serves he was concerned that they might have been blown into the side of a cliff under canopy. 

Correct. Or dragged 

[Yetti]

There seems to be lots of Cirrus engines quitting

[Joe Zuffoletto]

Sad all around. There's an old saying that some pilots know their next flight will be their last, as when they're retiring, and some pilots don't, as when they perish unexpectedly. Don't know what else to say. Godspeed to our fellow pilot gone west. 

[thinwing]

They are continentals

[aviatoreb]

The first few hundred feet of take off is a most vulnerable time in any airplane, and apparently a cirrus included.

[Joe Zuffoletto]

As is the TSIO 550G in my Acclaim. 9 years of flawless performance, including a beautiful flight today. 

[PTK]

15 hours ago, Hank said:

I thought this was the gist of the Cirrus training claimed to reduce fatal accidents. "Pull early and pull often."

I wasn't aware that chute use is over emphasized like that. But I do believe it because the chute is the way Cirrus certified it overcoming some not so great stall spin characteristics. So if this is the frame of mind of the generic Cirrus pilot what happens to basic planning and piloting? Recognizing and breaking the accident chain? They go out the window? Why did the engine quit? Fuel exhaustion? Why didn't he put it down? It's flat all around and he had to know that because he was there plenty of times before. Engines can and do quit. Did he have a plan? Or indiscriminately pulling the chute was the plan. Lapse in judgment and a lack of adherence to procedure and  standards does not mix well with upholding the duties and the highest of responsibilities. He made a conscious decision to bring pax on board. Tragic.

[Danb]

Chris how'd the annual go, mine goes in after airventure 

[Tommy]

I think we ought to respect a fellow fallen pilot by withholding our judgment until NTSB's report is out.

But one thing I think it's clear is that sometimes more options aren't necessarily better. Use of the chute, asymmetric operation, and partial engine failure can be more harmful than complete failure in a single without a chute...

[PTK]

34 minutes ago, Tommy said:

I think we ought to respect a fellow fallen pilot by withholding our judgment until NTSB's report is out.

But one thing I think it's clear is that sometimes more options aren't necessarily better. Use of the chute, asymmetric operation, and partial engine failure can be more harmful than complete failure in a single without a chute...

Please do elaborate because that's not at all clear...

 

[Andy95W]

Just now, PTK said:

Please do elaborate because that's not at all clear...

As an example, there are more FATAL accidents in multi-engine airplanes following an engine failure than singles (by percentage). That is because if you lose an engine in a twin, you still have lots of options-some of them wrong. In a single, after an engine failure, you have only one option- unless you have a Cirrus.