STP?

[Marauder]

I need a bigger hot tub...

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Maybe a heated swimming pool instead...

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[Alan Fox]

Peter I have nothing to prove , you are certainly capable of calling the dealers to verify , I have people lined up to have me work on their vehicles , In fact I seem to remember installing an evaporator core in YOUR Jeep , I also remember it had a broken mode door arm , that the dealer required replacing a 500 dollar evaporator case that I found available in China for 8 dollars to save you money , That is why I have a 5 star yelp rating , I certainly would not lie to spar with you , I have experience on my side ...And the Jeep paperwork you already have!!!!! 

[PTK]

You do have to prove your assertions.

You can't be very quick to attack and attempt to discredit with impunity and spread BS without substantiation.

This is exactly what I mean when I say that BS spreads like wildfire!!

I'll ask you again: Please post the Acura service bulletin that officially endorses rislone, and the name of the aftermarket additive you say BMW puts in transmissions.

Until you do your're full of it!

[MyNameIsNobody]

I don't live in a world of absolutes...

Some would like to.

[Marauder]

Peter I have nothing to prove , you are certainly capable of calling the dealers to verify , I have people lined up to have me work on their vehicles , In fact I seem to remember installing an evaporator core in YOUR Jeep , I also remember it had a broken mode door arm , that the dealer required replacing a 500 dollar evaporator case that I found available in China for 8 dollars to save you money , That is why I have a 5 star yelp rating , I certainly would not lie to spar with you , I have experience on my side ...And the Jeep paperwork you already have!!!!!

You do have to prove your assertions.

You can't be very quick to attack and attempt to discredit with impunity and spread BS without substantiation.

This is exactly what I mean when I say that BS spreads like wildfire!!

I'll ask you again: Please post the Acura service bulletin that officially endorses rislone, and the name of the aftermarket additive you say BMW puts in transmissions.

Until you do your're full of it!

Fight! Fight! Fight! Man, I have been waiting to say that all week!

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[cliffy]

Geeezz! All I did was ask a simple question.

 

Maybe I'll enter the fray with some personal observations. Here's my take after 50+ years as a mechanic both auto and airplane.

Take it for what it's worth.

 

Frequent oil changes do more for and are the engines best insurance policy than anything else you can do.

 

I don't even like the auto 5,000 mile intervals. I do it at 3,000 with filter. I do airplanes at no more than 50 hrs with filter.

 

Some additives have a use in certain conditions. Many auto makers use injector cleaning chemicals not found in the fuel itself if injectors get clogged. Same can said for cleaning around spark plugs with a fuel additive on Ford 3 valve engines BEFORE changing plugs at 100,000 miles!. It helps! I just did one and I only lost 1 plug. If you're familiar you know what I'm talking about.

Clattering lifters can, at times, be helped with an oil additive ( a solvent type base, MMO). It does work. Some times not.

Water added to the intake while running will clean out combustion chanbers and get rid of lots of built up carbon.

When water injection was discovered (back at the beginning of WWII) while developing the P&W R2800 engine. It is used to cool the induction air after compression by the internal blower to draw more HP from the engine.They noticed as an after effect that the cylinder's combustion chambers were clean as a whistle when it was used. I used this on cars, mostly years ago, before newer formulations of gasoline. I used it in Mexico on pinging engines when carbon hot spots caused those issues. It's actually a chemical process between the carbon and the water and not a physical action.

Some car makers specify slip modifiers for trannies and posi rearends. Can't remember which ones right now as I haven't done it in a while.

STP? I used it decades ago  in air cooled engines (VWs) always thought it helped but have no empirical data to prove it. I did however run VW engines 100,000 miles while flogging them at full throttle (max MP and 72 MPH on the freeway) without any internal issues. Not counting swallowing a valve that was known to let go at around the 100K mark. Not oil related.

JMO

[Alan Fox]

Cliffy I have a great tool made by Lisle that removes the broken end of the spark plug in the head on the engine...Takes about ten minutes a plug......Lisle is amazing for that type of stuff , also Help motormite makes a kit for the earlier tritons that has a sleeve that threads into the stripped out hole stays there and accepts the new style plug , and has  a short boot to make everything fit under the coil........

[KSMooniac]

I broke a plug on the wife's Explorer a couple years ago because I did not know of the defective Ford quality at the time...but sure learned in a hurry!  Hard to believe in modern times they could put such a bad detail into production!  I scrambled to find that Lisle kit on a Sunday afternoon so we could get it back in service for work on Monday.  That vehicle is a $40k POS in many ways.

 

Perhaps if I ran some ATF in the oil prior to the plug change they might not have broken?  

[carusoam]

I struggled to get 3 plugs out of the Expedition. I sent the truck to my local mechanic to have him destroy the 4th plug on that side while also getting the other four... The three piece plug design fell apart.

100+k miles on the plugs. One of the coils failed probably because increased resistance from the severely worn gap...

Reminds me of some aviation equivalents. Increased plug resistance and problematic magnetos...

Best regards,

-a-

[cliffy]

I have the Lisle tool also plus many others that I have either purchased or made over the years. The 3 valve engine is also known for trashing plug coils and I think it is correct to say that the high plug resistance from large gaps at 100k may contribute to it. Hmmm- just like trashing mags from high resistance-I think someone mentioned that? :-) :-)  While 100k is a nice goal for marketing, I'm going back in at 60,000 the next time to avoid the problems. I did mine according to the TSB from Ford (that is doing it cold ) Lots of PB and soaking overnight. Also ran some *fuel additive* for 2 tank fulls before the change which I feel helped as the plugs were very clean when they came out. 

[PTK]

I guess Alan never posted that Acura service bulletin that, as he claims, officially endorses rislone after all!

Nor the name of the aftermarket additive, he claims, BMW puts in transmissions!

Wow! And I wanted to believe you Alan!

Good thing I didn't hold my breath!

[Alan Fox]

Again Pete , I have nothing to prove to you.....You are the expert..

[Hank]

Again Pete , I have nothing to prove to you.....You are the expert..

in everything.

[PTK]

Again Pete , I have nothing to prove to you.....You are the expert..

No, I'm not the expert! I have no such illusions. I rely on experts. Not of the self proclaimed variety but real ones.

You, on the other hand, find it necessary to blatantly fabricate stories that aren't true!

Why you do this I'll never know!

Reminds me of another individual who was also fabricating stories and, when pressed, of course couldn't provide documentation!

I seek the truth. Nothing less and nothing more!

[Marauder]

And I thought I was safe to empty the pool. I'm bringing the ladies over to watch you battle the herd and not reach other!

... laying a food trail for the herd to find you guys in Jersey

[Guitarmaster]

Jersey? I'm here at KEWR right now.

[Marauder]

Jersey? I'm here at KEWR right now.

Sounds like I need to charge for this event! ‍‍

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[aaronk25]

I think it's best practice to do the complete opposite of whatever PTK says.

[Bravoman]

I ceased being amazed years ago.

 

That said, before every flight I spit into the oil fill tube. This action, and I have verified it with my MVP-50 engine monitor, has reduced CHT temps by 50º and has increased my climb out at TO by 250 FPM!

 

Oil usage has been reduced to less than a pint per 25 hours.

 

The EAA (Expectoration Advantage Action), as I call it, has also put my GAMI spread at 0 GPH!

 

It is nothing short of miraculous! Try it!

I use a blend of guacamole and Camguard. The guac is from Haas avocados. My mechanic is very organic!

[cliffy]

My Dad sold a Model T back in the 1920s and to quiet the tranny down he stuffed it with bananas.

Maybe that would work in the gear transmission :-)

[PTK]

I think it's best practice to do the complete opposite of whatever PTK says.

Funny thing! I steer clear of what you and some others say too!

And it works!

No disintegrating engine metal in my oil filter!

[PTK]

Here's a marketing idea.

Maybe you can get together with Alan and some others to create a brand new additive.

Get some rislone, camguard, some stp and whatever else you guys use and mix it all up.

Throw some avocadoes and bananas in there too! The market is ripe for some...umm... fruit!

But you have to convince Alan to disclose that secret ingredient! That additive that he only knows about that BMW pours in the transmissions! Throw some of that in there too!

Then pick an auto manufacturer and spread a rumor on the internet that they use this potion as per "a service bulletin" in their engines!

[Alan Fox]

The additive will be saw dust and tooth filings from Petes dental office.....

[PTK]

The additive will be saw dust and tooth filings from Petes dental office.....

Now you're talking!

Tooth sludge! Mixed in with saliva, filling dust and some blood! Did someone say organic?

Uuuuugly sh.t for sure, but may be a money maker!

[Marauder]

Man -- I gotta go to work, just when this is starting to get interesting.

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