carusoam Posted December 3, 2014 Report Posted December 3, 2014 There must be a 'pro' category in the CB club... Young master Philip showed his pro documentation yesterday. As the Sabre mech must have also. That takes some dedication to the sport of being a CB! I mean this with the highest regard of mechanics. My apologies if I didn't type it correctly. Best regards, -a- 1 Quote
M016576 Posted December 3, 2014 Report Posted December 3, 2014 You boys will never win the Cheap Bast$&d of the year award paying dem der prices. I think the key is staying with a mechanic you trust. Knowing the plane helps. My base annual is $1,500 but I always find things I want done. My J came in around $1500. But it wasn't a MSC. LASAR has been charging a flat rate of $2700 for just the inspection for a while- it may be more now (last I checked was '12). Realize that that's about $100 an hour. And for a MSC, it's actually probably more, as they tend to get an annual done quicker than the prescribed 24 hours... Each to their own, but there are many, many mooney's out there flying perfectly that didn't have an annual done at a MSC. Quote
Danb Posted December 3, 2014 Report Posted December 3, 2014 Fortunately I'm not a member of the illustrious cb club, In a weird way it may have some merit, but my extreme lack of skills eliminate from assisting on my annual, I do some oil changes am a hanger rat when my friend does his annual mostly by himself which is where Zim learning the most about mechanical things...but when I go to the spec. For surgery I've had numerous I explore there credititionals deeply..same as using the proper lawyer, being a CPA I don't allow owner assisted audits outside the box or tax preparation too many crooks out there.my Ame left De for Florida so with my issues and wanting to keep flying I'm spending the $$$ to fly to Fl for my medical..what im trying to say is I don't waste money to badly am not frugal but do want the service I'm paying for to be done correctly and with competence...good discussion on this thread which shows our many different outlooks that's good.. 1 Quote
N252WD Posted December 3, 2014 Report Posted December 3, 2014 I believe its around 3k for my 252. KCXO Quote
Robert C. Posted December 3, 2014 Report Posted December 3, 2014 A MSC near Atlanta quoted and then charged appr. $3200 for the annual when i bought my Ovation. The fee was described as "the standard price for a Mooney Ovation." Given the issues they didn't find during the annual I doubt they put in the number of hours you expect for that price. Next year I'll be asking my local AP for a quote first. Quote
Guest Posted December 4, 2014 Report Posted December 4, 2014 My annuals only cost me the parts. My labor is free. Must put me in the really cheap category! I'm in the same boat, but its not really free. If I wasn't working on my own airplane, I would be working on someone else's and they would be paying me. Clarence Quote
FlyWalt Posted December 4, 2014 Report Posted December 4, 2014 I have a feeling that they are jacking the prices up because of the recent good news of Mooney's survival. Hopefully our airplanes will go up in value as well :-) 1 Quote
BigTex Posted December 4, 2014 Report Posted December 4, 2014 I have a feeling that they are jacking the prices up because of the recent good news of Mooney's survival. Hopefully our airplanes will go up in value as well :-) Ha... So you think our favorite MSC was providing Pity Annuals? Quote
DrBill Posted December 4, 2014 Report Posted December 4, 2014 Hard for me to commit to do owner assisted so I help the A&P in other ways. I repaired his air compressor AC motor when he moved in. (free). He had some equipment that needed to be repaired (a prop support) so I brought my oxy-acet torches over , fixed the equipment and left them there since I don't use them that often. Someone else brought a MIG welder so I taught him how to use it and make is own towbar. Then I brought over a Lincoln AC welder that I don't use anymore (have a Miller TIG unit) and taught him how to use that too. I figure he cut my annual bill by 1/3 and did some extra stuff. Yesterday I went over and he said his golf cart would not start. 45 mins later I rebuilt the fuel pump and it works great again. He commented to his secretary... When Bill comes over we can fix ANYTHING !. We usually do ! BILL Quote
laytonl Posted December 4, 2014 Report Posted December 4, 2014 I do owner assisted every other year. My "owner assisted" mechanic charges $1200 for the inspection. I buy the parts and do all the work. The A&I does the inspection and AD search. My "non-owner assisted" mechanic charges $1,800 for the Inspection plus hourly rate for repairs. Lee Quote
manoflamancha Posted December 4, 2014 Report Posted December 4, 2014 Well at least Mooney annuals are less expensive than Bonanza annuals! Quote
FlyDave Posted December 4, 2014 Report Posted December 4, 2014 I had the first annual on the Bravo done this year by my mechanic in Los Angeles. I flew down and we finished it in 1 full day + 2 hours the next. Pretty cheap at around $1200 with nothing wrong. I had only had the airplane for 5 months at that point. Next year I think I'm going to go to LASAR (35 miles from my home airport) and do an owner assisted there. I have always done owner assisted annuals because I want to know as much about my airplane as possible and LASAR is the only MSC in this area that will do owner assisted that I know of. I'll probably alternate between MSC and my old mechanic going forward. There are specific things about the Bravo that I know he isn't aware of - and either am I. But I'll take a copious notes and pictures for the following year when I go back to my mechanic in Los Angeles. I also really like going back to Los Angeles because I get the visit all my buddies there! Quote
DaV8or Posted December 4, 2014 Report Posted December 4, 2014 So much of the work on an annual is not "skilled"! It is just menial tasks that take a lot of time. The tasks that actually require skill are really minimal once you get into the job. Everytime I remove an access panel, or all the screws on the belly, I wonder why Mooney didn't incorporate more hinged panels.... Or at least better fasteners. Sheet metal screws? Really??!! Every annual I'm reminded that these planes were never designed to last 40-50 years. Quote
DaV8or Posted December 4, 2014 Report Posted December 4, 2014 My annuals only cost me the parts. My labor is free. Must put me in the really cheap category! I don't know, what's your time worth? Quote
Sabremech Posted December 4, 2014 Report Posted December 4, 2014 I don't know, what's your time worth? Worth more when I'm charging someone as I'm using my A&P/ IA certificates! David Quote
carusoam Posted December 4, 2014 Report Posted December 4, 2014 What type of Dr. has such a strong background in welding, Bill? Best regards, -a- Quote
DaV8or Posted December 4, 2014 Report Posted December 4, 2014 I have a feeling that they are jacking the prices up because of the recent good news of Mooney's survival. Hopefully our airplanes will go up in value as well :-) I think it has to do more with declining demand for their services while at the same time their fixed costs remain the same and labor and insurance cost more and more every year. If you're right, we'll be seeing new MSCs popping up. If I'm right, we'll see MSCs closing down. Time will tell... Quote
flyboy0681 Posted December 4, 2014 Report Posted December 4, 2014 You boys will never win the Cheap Bast$&d of the year award paying dem der prices. I think the key is staying with a mechanic you trust. Knowing the plane helps. My base annual is $1,500 but I always find things I want done. $1,500 plus parts is what we paid this year for the J. Quote
Bob_Belville Posted December 4, 2014 Report Posted December 4, 2014 What type of Dr. has such a strong background in welding, Bill? Best regards, -a- Bill has a PhD in EE. Quote
carusoam Posted December 4, 2014 Report Posted December 4, 2014 Bob, Soldering expert gone wild? Quote
Mooneymite Posted December 4, 2014 Report Posted December 4, 2014 I do owner assisted every other year. My "owner assisted" mechanic charges $1200 for the inspection. I buy the parts and do all the work. The A&I does the inspection and AD search. My "non-owner assisted" mechanic charges $1,800 for the Inspection plus hourly rate for repairs. Lee Just $600 for all you do? Lee, tell your IA you want a raise! (Just don't let him tell you he needs one, too!) 1 Quote
Guest Posted December 5, 2014 Report Posted December 5, 2014 Does anyone actually do a 100 hour using the Mooney check list? Clarence Quote
Cruiser Posted December 5, 2014 Report Posted December 5, 2014 Lapeer Aviation an MSC did my last annual on the Ovation....... $1,850 Js and older models are less. Quote
Hank Posted December 5, 2014 Report Posted December 5, 2014 Does anyone actually do a 100 hour using the Mooney check list? Clarence I don't do 100-hour inspections, but I do use a checklist for the annual. Not sure where the IA got it, though. Quote
Gone Posted December 5, 2014 Report Posted December 5, 2014 Does anyone actually do a 100 hour using the Mooney check list? Clarence You do. That is one of the reasons I go to you. Quote
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