Ron McBride Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 I am probably going to take my 69F to All American Aircraft to have them sell it. Are there any suggestions of what I need to do prior to doing that. The plane is in annual, all AD's are current etc. My biggest thought is insurance. Any others? Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KLRDMD Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 1 minute ago, N803RM said: I am probably going to take my 69F to All American Aircraft to have them sell it. Are there any suggestions of what I need to do prior to doing that. The plane is in annual, all AD's are current etc. My biggest thought is insurance. Any others? Ron List it here for a week first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooneymite Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 2 hours ago, KLRDMD said: List it here for a week first. I'm not sure.... There have been some pretty brutal reviews of prospective sales here. However, if the seller has a good set of asbestos underwear go for it. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larryb Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 I sold my previous Mooney through the dealer I bought the new one from. It was worth every penny of the commission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carusoam Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 If you have some skill and want to try to sell it yourself... 1) Need to get a proposed price for it... 2) Need to get some HD photos for it, inside and out... 3) need a list of all the things it comes with... 4) Copy all the logs, because the final buyer will want to see them before buying... For examples, see the AAA web site, for how they do it... When all else fails... contact Jimmy or David to see what else you can supply. Definitely want to keep it insured and hangared while in shiny waxed condition... PP thoughts only, not a plane sales guy yet... Best regards, -a- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
201er Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 You could just let the Grim Reaper lowball you for it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 Make sure all of your documents are in order, log books, STC’s, 337’s, ICA’s, List of AD’s with tracking. Airplane should be spotless inside and out, belly, wheel wells, windows cleaned and polished, spinner polished etc. Any obvious maintenance items corrected etc. Yours has to be head and shoulders above the others on the market. Clean and organized sells. Clarence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsxrpilot Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 13 hours ago, Mooneymite said: I'm not sure.... There have been some pretty brutal reviews of prospective sales here. However, if the seller has a good set of asbestos underwear go for it. We just have a good understanding of the current value of these airplanes. So don't come on here and try to bullshit us about the value. Planes that are priced right, with owners who are honest about the condition, get sold quick on this site. I sold my C on this site in 2 weeks. A seller looking for a sucker won't find one on this forum. You still might want the fire suit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 We just have a good understanding of the current value of these airplanes. So don't come on here and try to bullshit us about the value. Planes that are priced right, with owners who are honest about the condition, get sold quick on this site. I sold my C on this site in 2 weeks. A seller looking for a sucker won't find one on this forum. You still might want the fire suit. We have an understanding of the current value, the issue is that the potential buyer doesn’t. When you do a vRef on my plane, the “value” shows $108k based on the equipment installed, hours on the engine, etc. The VRef also doesn’t take into consideration the value of enhancements people make. Like the $1500 plus labor to install LEDs or the $2150 for the CiES senders and the JPI 900 modification to work with them. In reality, no one would offer me that kind of money (sans one desperate Cherokee owner on my field who wants to buy my plane for $100k). Everyone knows an F is at best a $55k plane, right?This is why I tell people considering upgrading a plane, they better have long range plans on enjoying their investment. Because as Gus suggestions, if I said I want $100k for my F, the CB herd comes out to tell me why my HIGHLY modified F is only worth $55k. Watch this. Any takers for my F for $102k? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
201er Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Marauder said: This is why I tell people considering upgrading a plane, they better have long range plans on enjoying their investment. Because as Gus suggestions, if I said I want $100k for my F, the CB herd comes out to tell me why my HIGHLY modified F is only worth $55k. Watch this. Any takers for my F for $102k? Sorry, 101 is my top offer! Edited December 19, 2017 by 201er 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricJ Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 45 minutes ago, Marauder said: Watch this. Any takers for my F for $102k? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Pfft. Doesn't even have carpet or a glare shield. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliffy Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 Without carpet it drops to 35K :-) In fact I'll pay 35K for the panel. You can keep the rest for beer cans :-) I'm making a joke OK? :-) No flaming spears my way please. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 Pfft. Doesn't even have carpet or a glare shield. Without carpet it drops to 35K :-) In fact I'll pay 35K for the panel. You can keep the rest for beer cans :-) I'm making a joke OK? :-) No flaming spears my way please. They are being ordered. Better select which one before I place the order! Which carpet do you think was selected by Mrs. Marauder? Seat leather in the middle of the samples. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrwilson Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 top left is my guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliffy Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 bottom left Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 top left is my guess That was my choice, of course overruled. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 top left is my guess Never made it past round 1. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSMooniac Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 Which one is rated for the highest step loading?Sent from my LG-US996 using Tapatalk 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steingar Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 A problem for sellers. Often an aircraft isn't worth what the seller has into it. A good case in point: The VRef also doesn’t take into consideration the value of enhancements people make. Like the $1500 plus labor to install LEDs or the $2150 for the CiES senders and the JPI 900 modification to work with them. Now, if I don't give a rats ass about the franistans owner number 1 put in his aircraft all that money put in isn't going to make a damn bit of difference to me. Another good example, I'm sinking a fair number of AMUs into my trusty old M20c. If I wanted to sell it tomorrow I'd not get any of it back, at the end of the day its an old C and worth what its worth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peevee Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 19 hours ago, KLRDMD said: List it here for a week first. Not worth it. I doubt anyone posting here has more experience moving airplanes than jimmy, why not ask him? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steingar Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 Just now, peevee said: Not worth it. I doubt anyone posting here has more experience moving airplanes than jimmy, why not ask him? Because posting it here is free. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peevee Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 1 minute ago, steingar said: Because posting it here is free. So is advice from jimmy I'm sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Mazer Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 I have sold 2 Mooneys through All American and I would probably do it again. In general, Jimmy made the process as painless as possible and offered good service (once he started getting back to me due to their very high volume this year). I do have one caution about All American. They consider the sale price the listed price and not the final purchase price. Their contract is very clear on the subject and my bill of sale specifically stated the sale price as the final negotiated price but the closing document came in with the commission calculated on the listing price. While I felt Jimmy was angry at living up to the letter of the contract (and I feel it is the spirit also) Jimmy didn't argue about it too much. One other wrinkle on the subject had to do with allowance vs a reduction in price. Jimmy suggest an allowance to the buyer and I wanted to reduce the price. My reasoning is that I didn't want anything to do with the repairs or the new buyer's choice of or relationship with the shop doing the work. I have been on the other side of that as a buyer and it turned out to be a serious problem when the seller's shop did a lousy job and wouldn't help me as I wasn't the party with whom they dealt. Twice the revised selling document came in with allowance and I had to firmly state that I would not proceed under those circumstances. I now wonder if that was to preserve the commission on the total sale price as an allowance wouldn't have shown up on the closing document as a revised price. Whatever, it wasn't the largest issue, and, as I said, I would probably work with them again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylw314 Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 7 minutes ago, David Mazer said: I have sold 2 Mooneys through All American and I would probably do it again. I purchased through AAA and would also recommend. I did everything remotely and bought the plane sight unseen (although I had a friend go out to complete the transaction and fly it back), and they followed up on all my requests and questions. I'm not suggesting they should be entrusted with everything, they are essentially used car salesmen, so some amount of ickiness comes with the business that you have to exercise your due diligence. On the other hand, they were responsive and did everything they promised to do. The only caveat for my experience is that I was buying a plane that was actually _owned_ by AAA. I think most of their business is sales by private owner, so that might have made them more motivated and responsive, so take my experience with a grain of salt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsxrpilot Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 + (whatever number we're up to now) for Jimmy and David. They're a couple of stand up guys and they sell good airplanes. Show me a plane that Jimmy and David have for sale, and that has the last two or three annuals from either Don Maxwell or SWTA, and that's a plane I'd buy without a pre-buy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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