peevee Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 (edited) Maybe I asked this already, but on all the rockets I've seen the step has been removed. This drives me crazy as it increases the chances of someone stepping on the flap. Has anyone reinstalled a step that has been removed? Is it as easy as bolting up a new step and cutting a hole for it? We have an aftermarket (I think..) one piece belly. I thought about carrying a stool, but if I put it in baggage I have to get out, shimmy around the passenger on the wing, and put it in place. Seems just as risky. Maybe someone has thought of a better solution that I haven't thought of. Edited January 30, 2017 by peevee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 peevee, you shouldn't need to cut a hole, it was probably covered when the existing step was removed. My step is well outside the one-piece belly, too. Get out your creeper and look behind the wing outside the belly panel; I think my step is on a 1½" square tube. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carusoam Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 (edited) Steps come in two varieties fixed and retract. Retract has a square tube. Fixed gets an aerodynamic cover. Check with Jerry at ACpartswhse for his inventory of stuff from old Mooneys.... A K at altitude with a fixed step and aero dynamic cover would be better than doing the two step with passengers with a stool... Best regards, -a- Edited January 30, 2017 by carusoam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSMooniac Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 I'm sure the plane had a step, and if you look in the tailcone you should see the receiver tube for it. You can likely buy a replacement step from Jerry or LASAR and paint to match. The aero cover is simply sheet aluminum cut/formed/riveted into a teardrop shape.Sent from my VS985 4G using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peevee Posted January 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 34 minutes ago, carusoam said: Steps come in two varieties fixed and retract. Retract has a square tube. Fixed gets an aerodynamic cover. Check with Jerry at ACpartswhse for his inventory of stuff from old Mooneys.... A K at altitude with a fixed step and aero dynamic cover would be better than doing the two step with passengers with a stool... Best regards, -a- it's probably 2 knots at best. I didn't think any of the K had retractable steps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peevee Posted January 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 (edited) 25 minutes ago, KSMooniac said: I'm sure the plane had a step, and if you look in the tailcone you should see the receiver tube for it. You can likely buy a replacement step from Jerry or LASAR and paint to match. The aero cover is simply sheet aluminum cut/formed/riveted into a teardrop shape. Sent from my VS985 4G using Tapatalk I'll dig around back there, I never thought to look in from the access door, I guess it is right there, isn't it. It's really an annoyance not having it. Much more than I expected. Edited January 30, 2017 by peevee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob - S50 Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 4 hours ago, peevee said: Maybe I asked this already, but on all the rockets I've seen the step has been removed. This drives me crazy as it increases the chances of someone stepping on the flap. Has anyone reinstalled a step that has been removed? Is it as easy as bolting up a new step and cutting a hole for it? We have an aftermarket (I think..) one piece belly. I thought about carrying a stool, but if I put it in baggage I have to get out, shimmy around the passenger on the wing, and put it in place. Seems just as risky. Maybe someone has thought of a better solution that I haven't thought of. I have that problem on every flight with someone other than another pilot. They remember not to step on the flap during boarding because I'm standing there and just told them about it. However, the climb to altitude erases their memory and they forget not to step on it when deplaning. What I've started doing is leave the flaps full down after landing. Pretty hard to step on the flaps in that configuration. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peevee Posted January 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 1 hour ago, Bob - S50 said: I have that problem on every flight with someone other than another pilot. They remember not to step on the flap during boarding because I'm standing there and just told them about it. However, the climb to altitude erases their memory and they forget not to step on it when deplaning. What I've started doing is leave the flaps full down after landing. Pretty hard to step on the flaps in that configuration. I try to remember to do that too, but my wife is really short so she needs a step Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kortopates Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 I had to add it to my K about 15 years ago. But you'll have no problem getting the parts through your favorite MSC. The step bolts on and uses a fairing to reduce drag to minimal. I really don't understand why people thing they are going faster without it and although I live where it's warm, getting out at my favorite ski area is an accident waiting to happen without it jumping onto ice. If you want to save some $, I'd start with the salvage yards - probably the same part #'s used on the longbody's too and you'll need to have it painted to match anyway. BTW, I am 6' and don't relish getting out of a Mooney without the step! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peevee Posted January 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 wonder how it would look if you just painted the whole step in wing walk compound Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob - S50 Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 16 hours ago, peevee said: I try to remember to do that too, but my wife is really short so she needs a step Mine too (5'2"). I carry a folding step in the baggage compartment. She usually just opens it up and drops it on the ground. If it doesn't land properly then I go around her and set it down properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peevee Posted January 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 4 minutes ago, Bob - S50 said: Mine too (5'2"). I carry a folding step in the baggage compartment. She usually just opens it up and drops it on the ground. If it doesn't land properly then I go around her and set it down properly. Along with what another poster said, ice is a bit scary too. I just don't understand why someone thought it was a good idea to remove the step. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob - S50 Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 Just now, peevee said: Along with what another poster said, ice is a bit scary too. I just don't understand why someone thought it was a good idea to remove the step. Ours never had a step as far as I can tell. Fortunately, in the Seattle area we don't worry about ice on the ground. It only happens a couple days each year. I'm also content not to fly anyplace cold enough to worry about snow and ice. Comes with getting old I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peevee Posted January 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 I'll double check next time I'm in the back, maybe ours didn't either. I thought it just came as standard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonal Posted February 1, 2017 Report Share Posted February 1, 2017 My retractable step only comes out when I fly with my CFI we call it the old man step. My wife has no problem stepping onto the wing while holding the grab handle by the baggage door. When I have to put it down for myself well I guess that will be the measure of my getting old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Dawson Posted February 10, 2017 Report Share Posted February 10, 2017 I put mine on after 4 years without it and I maybe lost 1/2 knot. I really like having the step back now. Just makes it easy to get in and out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peevee Posted February 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2017 14 hours ago, Steve Dawson said: I put mine on after 4 years without it and I maybe lost 1/2 knot. I really like having the step back now. Just makes it easy to get in and out. it's not even a question, I want the step. the only question is how much it'll cost and how much hassle. it's been so windy I haven't really messed with the plane much to look and see if they did anything dumb when they removed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Tracey Posted December 18, 2019 Report Share Posted December 18, 2019 Where do I buy a M20K-231 Step? My airplane doesn't have one and I need the part and wondered if it is expensive to retro-fit on on my airplane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carusoam Posted December 28, 2019 Report Share Posted December 28, 2019 Welcome aboard Kevin! @Kevin Tracey For used parts... we have a few resources around here... @Alan Fox @acpartswhse @SheryLoewen Best regards, -a- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Fox Posted December 28, 2019 Report Share Posted December 28, 2019 I have a 76 C step ( fixed) And I also have a 75 F step fixed also , Will try to post pics later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gagarin Posted December 28, 2019 Report Share Posted December 28, 2019 (edited) You are taking a big risk of getting sue by someone falling and injuring due to the lack of the factory step. The original approval of the plane included the step. Edited December 28, 2019 by Gagarin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted December 28, 2019 Report Share Posted December 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Gagarin said: You are taking a big risk of getting sue by someone falling and injuring due to the lack of the factory step. The original approval of the plane included the step. I've seen a lot of Mooneys without steps . . . . . but mine has one, repaired after the PO's gear up, even. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_elliott Posted December 28, 2019 Report Share Posted December 28, 2019 I know of one former Mooney owner who lost the battle to retain ownership of his Mooney when his wife finally put her "foot down" so to speak about not having a step. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricJ Posted December 28, 2019 Report Share Posted December 28, 2019 My J has no fairing, just the round tube hanging out in the breeze. I've thought about making one, but are they easily available? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gagarin Posted December 28, 2019 Report Share Posted December 28, 2019 28 minutes ago, EricJ said: My J has no fairing, just the round tube hanging out in the breeze. I've thought about making one, but are they easily available? Not worth it. Just keep the tube painted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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