FAA $500 Rebate For ADS-B

[Jerry 5TJ]

AvWeb reports the FAA will roll out a rebate program offering $500 for ADS-B installation.  

http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/FAA-Will-Reportedly-Offer-500-ADS-B-Rebate-226341-1.html

 

[Bob_Belville]

Less than 10% of aircraft have ADS-B out installed. (18,000 out of 200,000) I wonder how many of the 192,000 ever get 25 miles from home or more than 3000 AGL.

[gsengle]

I'll be pissed if they punish early adopters by excluding them.

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[Jerry 5TJ]

Paul Bertorelli offers his estimate of how many planes still need the upgrade:

.....The total number of aircraft that will need to equip is rubbery. I’ve seen numbers as low as 160,000 and as high as 199,000 from GAMA. Even at the lower end of the estimate, that means as many as 150,000 airplanes remain to equip in the remaining 42 months before the mandate kicks in. That works out to about 900 systems a week. That’s a lot of avionics work.....

source  ADS-B Numbers

[mike_elliott]

That just put a stop on all ADS-B installations until details are firmed up. Nice...

[OR75]

if that's true, that does not look right.

Can I get $200 for my mandated annual inspection ?

Can I get $20 for my mandated pitot-static check ?

Can I get $15 for my mandated medical ? 

 

[DXB]

1 hour ago, mike_elliott said:

That just put a stop on all ADS-B installations until details are firmed up. Nice...

For this reason, they would be wise to make the rebate proposal retroactive to people who've already upgraded while they mull it over.   Folks like me for instance

[INA201]

Just spotted this.  http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/FAA-ADS-B-Rebate-Limited-Time-Limited-Number-226366-1.html

[HeyChuck]

The rebate will only be available for installations performed after the launch of the program in September, which incentivizes postponement of ADS-B equipment installation until the fall. Thus, instead of "jump-starting" installations, this rule causes the opposite effect: procrastination by some who could complete installations this summer for another 4 months, which will compound the "logjam" at avionics shops next year. It would be more effective to offer rebates for installations completed after today...

[gsengle]

Ok someone somewhere has to start a petition that the FAA not penalize early installers. This is total BS imho. Aside from them now causing chaos with people waiting now for the program to start...

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[kevinw]

7 minutes ago, HeyChuck said:

The rebate will only be available for installations performed after the launch of the program in September, which incentivizes postponement of ADS-B equipment installation until the fall. Thus, instead of "jump-starting" installations, this rule causes the opposite effect: procrastination by some who could complete installations this summer for another 4 months, which will compound the "logjam" at avionics shops next year. It would be more effective to offer rebates for installations completed after today...

That's government in action for you. The rebate program itself has me scratching my head; why are they paying people with money they don't have to do what is already mandated?

[Piloto]

Wait for 2019 and the rebate may go up to $1000. This would bring down the transponder prices. A transponder at $1100 may only cost you $100 with the rebate. Keep waiting and maybe Uncle Sam will have one for you for free when Santa comes to you on 12/25/2019.

José

[Piloto]

9 hours ago, gsengle said:

I'll be pissed if they punish early adopters by excluding them.

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Wait until those early adopters have to upgrade their transponder to the latest FAA ruling at $1500 per unit.

[Piloto]

Not surprisingly this FAA rebate may come in the form of a tax deduction rather than check issued to you. Subject to audit.

José

[Jerry 5TJ]

 

Maybe I can have my GDL88 removed, then reinstall it this September?

 

[Godfather]

3 hours ago, kevinw said:

That's government in action for you. The rebate program itself has me scratching my head; why are they paying people with money they don't have to do what is already mandated?

Also the think about the extra $20 million that will be wasted to implement this program.  Government in action...total waste of money.  The only good news is hopefully the install shops can demand a higher install rate because of the extra demand to keep aviation support thriving.

[Jerry 5TJ]

4 hours ago, gsengle said:

Ok someone somewhere has to start a petition that the FAA not penalize early installers. 

The rebate covers the next 20,000 installations.  If they pay those of us who have already implemented the mandated upgrade that's 18,000 rebates right there.  So no, it makes no sense to rebate for extant installations.  Alas.

 

[Danb]

4 hours ago, gsengle said:

Ok someone somewhere has to start a petition that the FAA not penalize early installers. This is total BS imho. Aside from them now causing chaos with people waiting now for the program to start...

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This is crap for those who have complied, mine is sch. for next week, I'm not cancelling it , our stupid gov't at work. Get a petition for John Maynard Keynes..

[gsengle]

Yep. They've created a system where next time out everyone will wait. Why should anyone do what they are told they must. Moral hazard.

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[Marauder]

Well, this CB is holding out until they install it for free!

[HRM]

14 hours ago, Jerry 5TJ said:

AvWeb reports the FAA will roll out a rebate program offering $500 for ADS-B installation.  

http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/FAA-Will-Reportedly-Offer-500-ADS-B-Rebate-226341-1.html

 

I am wondering if this will only apply to those who have an avionics shop install it. Even with the least expensive hardware option, that is double the cost of the equipment.

I plan to install mine myself and then get a sign-off. Jeez, it isn't rocket science.

[Jerry 5TJ]

44 minutes ago, HRM said:

I am wondering if this will only apply to those who have an avionics shop install it.....

The FAA outlines the program and steps to claim rebate:

FAA Rebate Fact Sheet

From that FAA document:

Rebate Steps:

1. Decide: Owner schedules the installation of the Technical Standard Order (TSO)-certified avionics for an eligible aircraft.

2. Reserve: The owner reserves a rebate from the FAA’s ADS-B Rebate website for each Eligible Aircraft before avionics installment occurs.  

3. Install:The TSO-certified ADS-B avionics are installed on the eligible aircraft.

4. Fly & Validate: Not later than 60 days after the installation, the aircraft must be flown in “rule airspace” as defined in 14 CFR 91.225 for a minimum of 30 minutes with at least 10 aggregate minutes of maneuvering (AC 20-165B contains flight maneuver recommendations). After the flight, the aircraft owner must validate the performance of the Eligible Aircraft’s ADS-B installation by requesting a Public Compliance Report available on the FAA’s ADS-B Rebate website. A validated installation will provide the owner with an incentive code.

5. Claim: Not later than 60 days after the installation date, the aircraft owner gathers their Rebate Reservation Code and Incentive Code and navigates to the ADS-B Rebate website to claim the rebate.

[kevinw]

Here's an interesting tidbit; the rebate only applies to single engine airplanes. They probably figure if you can afford to fly a multi-engine aircraft you don't deserve the rebate. That should piss some M-E owners off.

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[gsengle]

Yep and there are as many installs already as the number of installs the rebate will cover, roughly, so for everyone they make happy, there is at least one person they pissed off.

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[HRM]

I like to think there is a method to the madness

Many here have so much money (how they have time to post makes me wonder) that they are always going on about replacing one 10 AMU gizmo with another, or how their bird will be in the avionics shop for months, while others are charter members of the cheap basterds club (I am a card-carrying member). So my thought, even riddled with atherosclerosis as it is, is that the FAA took a look at everything and said "How can we motivate the largest group of aircraft owners, and potentially the most dangerous in the air (ignoring that special group, the 20-something fighter pilots) to get their birds fitted with ADS-B?" What I like, again being a cheap basterd, is that the rebate verification process is independent of an avionics shop install.

Now we ask how effective this is going to be. Well, I don't need ADS-B until they force me; i.e., 2020.

I can wait them out. Like when the airlines have an overbooked flight and they keep upping the flight coupon value for those who will wait until the next flight.

Frankly, $500 does not pique my interest just now. On the other hand, the limit they set probably has to do with budget and there may not be any budgets for inducement a year or so from now. Decisions, decisions, decisions...