Avionics Installations West Coast/PNW....Recommendations?

[Baker Avionics]

4 minutes ago, Skywalker said:

I don't know about that. They quoted, I accepted. I didn't pressure them on price at all. The final tally with things I added as we went was almost exactly half parts and half labor. They didn't complain and neither did I. 

That's wonderful for you!  I know most of the folks that are still there.  We are all still good friends!  I just worry about their margins is all.  Good on you!!!!  So glad you are happy with it!  If it was Yash who you worked with, he has come a long way. 

[Skywalker]

1 minute ago, Baker Avionics said:

It isn't coupled to the trim, I can pretty much guarantee that.  It is not able to.  You may still have your electric trim but it is not Auto Trim.  Please clarify. 

I'm not here to justify anything about my experience or the installation. Just providing asked for information.  If you have something better, fantastic.   I have electric trim, the same trim I had before. Yes I need to use it myself, the AP tells me when it wants me to trim up or down.  So maybe its not coupled, I probably would have had to spend more on the Garmin trim but I chose not to.  The thing practically flys itself, the least I can do is trim... I'm ok with that.

[Baker Avionics]

Just now, Skywalker said:

I'm not here to justify anything about my experience or the installation. Just providing asked for information.  If you have something better, fantastic.   I have electric trim, the same trim I had before. Yes I need to use it myself, the AP tells me when it wants me to trim up or down.  So maybe its not coupled, I probably would have had to spend more on the Garmin trim but I chose not to.  The thing practically flys itself, the least I can do is trim... I'm ok with that.

No, that's what I was commenting about so folks do not get confused.  The electric trim doesn't need to be attached to the GFC500 as long as folks know that it is still a manual trim and not coupled to the AP.  I respect the folks at Lasar!

[Skywalker]

18 hours ago, Ragsf15e said:

Did you end up with just 1 adhrs in the airplane and no other adi?

Well yes and no, the other 275 can also be used as ADI if the primary fails. Simple push of a button to switch it.

[carusoam]

Use caution with single adhrs and expecting to switch to a second display….

There is an example around here… where the adhr was the failure point… leaving nothing to switch too…

Both 275s showed their red Xs… from the same source.

Got a second AI in case you experience an adhr failure?  Or a second adhr to support the second 275?

This is probably more critical for people flying in IMC….

If you are VMC only… keep looking out the windows… 

Best regards,

-a-

[Skywalker]

16 minutes ago, carusoam said:

Use caution with single adhrs and expecting to switch to a second display….

There is an example around here… where the adhr was the failure point… leaving nothing to switch too…

Both 275s showed their red Xs… from the same source.

Got a second AI in case you experience an adhr failure?  Or a second adhr to support the second 275?

This is probably more critical for people flying in IMC….

If you are VMC only… keep looking out the windows… 

Best regards,

-a-

I fly IFR. Had plenty of vacuum failures too with no other ADI in the airplane to even think about switching to. I guess there's a downside to every configuration.

[Ragsf15e]

1 hour ago, Skywalker said:

I fly IFR. Had plenty of vacuum failures too with no other ADI in the airplane to even think about switching to. I guess there's a downside to every configuration.

I guess my question was if both your-275s have the adhrs option on them.  The way you listed them, you said only one was adhrs, one is only an hsi.  While you can do this, it’s much more common that the one being used as an hsi also has its own adhrs so it can effectively back up the primary adi.  In that configuration, the hsi will automatically switch to and adi display on its own adhrs if the system senses a failure with the primary.  If you don’t have a second adhrs on the hsi -275, you are back to your turn coordinator, aspd, altitude.  Most people opt to put adhrs on both gi-275s since it doesn’t add much cost.

Just because you can display the adi on the hsi, I’m not sure that means the hsi has its own incorporated adhrs.  You definitely want to know so you can think through failure modes.

[carusoam]

7 hours ago, Skywalker said:

I fly IFR. Had plenty of vacuum failures too with no other ADI in the airplane to even think about switching to. I guess there's a downside to every configuration.

What is your preferred attitude indicator, when your primary goes on holiday?

Just wondering…

Back in the day… TCs we’re the standard… until they wore out….

Lately there are several AIs to select from…

Best regards,

-a-

[Aerodon]

Here's some thoughts - interfacing old avionics to new avionics is a pain in the butt, especially if some of it has to be done in the plane.  Mooneys have CPC connectors all over the place, including a 'main avionics' one behind the CB panel.

1) The GI275 is easier to interface than the G5 / GAD29 combination - it costs more, but I'm pretty sure you you save the difference in labor.

2) Good shops could give a pretty firm price in building up the stack on the bench, including some used 'trays' for KX165 etc.  The variable is how long to take out the old stuff - and if you are not worried about reconnecting old to new, this can be very quick.  A day?

3) Getting rid of remote encoders and older separate intercom / audio panels (very common on Mooneys) is a good idea.

My panel and wiring harness has been built on the bench.  Everything that needs to be connected together up front is done.  Then it has long pigtails to the rear.  Attached is an image of the rear avionics tray, the plan is to pull all the pigtails through to the back (and out the avionics door), and have the technician terminate all of these and then plug in.

The target is to end up having the plane in the shop for less than a week.  I'll report back.

 

Aerodon

[Skywalker]

On 12/31/2021 at 4:36 PM, Ragsf15e said:

I guess my question was if both your-275s have the adhrs option on them.  The way you listed them, you said only one was adhrs, one is only an hsi.  While you can do this, it’s much more common that the one being used as an hsi also has its own adhrs so it can effectively back up the primary adi.  In that configuration, the hsi will automatically switch to and adi display on its own adhrs if the system senses a failure with the primary.  If you don’t have a second adhrs on the hsi -275, you are back to your turn coordinator, aspd, altitude.  Most people opt to put adhrs on both gi-275s since it doesn’t add much cost.

Just because you can display the adi on the hsi, I’m not sure that means the hsi has its own incorporated adhrs.  You definitely want to know so you can think through failure modes.

Ah sorry misunderstood your question. Yes they both have adhrs and both have battery back up. Better plan than I had before if you ask me. 

[Ragsf15e]

17 minutes ago, Skywalker said:

Ah sorry misunderstood your question. Yes they both have adhrs and both have battery back up. Better plan than I had before if you ask me. 

Yep, solid plan.  I have similar 2xadhrs with G5s and I like it.  Mine still has the stec autopilot so I also have a TC backup if both died.  Someone around here had 2xGi-275s red X at the same time once…

[LANCECASPER]

22 minutes ago, mike261 said:

I just picked up the plane yesterday with the new AP. shot a few approaches last night. (GFC500 2xGI275 2ADAHARS NOVACUUM) It will take some getting used to, but it is a very capable system and its all tied together. I have worked with electricity all of my career, and I don't trust it. The down stream damage from a fault or error can render the whole thing useless. Everything electrical will fail eventually. I back it up with a Dynon Pocket panel clipped into the old turn coordinator spot. its stand alone and recharge-able.

A lot of how we approach this is from our own personal experiences, mine point me this way...

And a lightning strike would probably get them all, the zero on the roulette wheel.

Mike

Let's see pictures!

[rbp]

i chose to put the GFC-500 head at the top, because i want it in my field of vision

[LANCECASPER]

2 hours ago, mike261 said:

Not quite as much a visceral rush as a big screen I admit, but it instills confidence that is for sure.

Anyone wanna buy a complete KFC 150 with all the fixins?

 

Do you still have the turn coordinator behind the Dynon Pocket Panel?

[jaylw314]

30 minutes ago, mike261 said:

Lance, there is no TC behind the Dynon, it is still in my possession, on my desk.

 

The Dynon snaps into the open hole, thereby no FAA involvement.

Mike

Wouldn't it make more sense to take out the VSI and put the Dynon there?  It's a little more central as a backup, and you'd keep the TC as yet another backup.  I assume you can get VS on the 275, you don't need a backup VSI.

[carusoam]

They have the IVSI…. For people that like the big needle, and want the least amount of lag…. To get their data…

old tech, but better than the ancient tech… 

-a-

[Bob R]

On 12/31/2021 at 2:29 PM, Baker Avionics said:

No, that's what I was commenting about so folks do not get confused.  The electric trim doesn't need to be attached to the GFC500 as long as folks know that it is still a manual trim and not coupled to the AP.  I respect the folks at Lasar!

Greg, for some weird reason, you will not respond to numerous inquiries. You installed my G5’s and never supplied me with the conforuration sheets which Garmin requires from all their dealer installs. I’ve made several attempts to get you to send them to me, no response. That tells me you never documented the install. Maybe calling you out in public will get you to respond. Not sure what your problem is.

Edited January 10, 2022 by Bob R
Wording

[ilovecornfields]

3 hours ago, Bob R said:

Not sure what your problem is.

Some might ask the same question about you, sir. 

[Bob R]

13 hours ago, ilovecornfields said:

Some might ask the same question about you, sir. 

Must be you Greg.

[carusoam]

This clearly isn’t the best way to handle a service challenge…

It is typical of a last ditch effort…

Carefully worded, the effort usually only breaks even…

Jabbing at everyone else along the way, only takes away from the effort…

 

Plenty of stress to go with a crummy experience…. 
 

Focus on the resolution…

There can be a positive experience for both sides…

It takes effort to make it happen…

MS isn’t known as ComplaintSpace… 
 

Best regards,

-a-

[Bob R]

2 hours ago, carusoam said:

This is clearly isn’t the best way to handle a service challenge…

It is typical of a last ditch effort…

Carefully worded, the effort usually only breaks even…

Jabbing at everyone else along the way, only takes away from the effort…

 

Plenty of stress to go with a crummy experience…. 
 

Focus on the resolution…

There can be a positive experience for both sides…

It takes effort to make it happen…

MS isn’t known as ComplaintSpace… 
 

Best regards,

-a-

I completely understand your point and never really wanted to call someone out in a public forum. Just did not want someone else to have to deal with this type of situation.

The matter is now closed as far as I am concerned.

[Baker Avionics]

On 1/9/2022 at 6:35 PM, Bob R said:

Greg, for some weird reason, you will not respond to numerous inquiries. You installed my G5’s and never supplied me with the conforuration sheets which Garmin requires from all their dealer installs. I’ve made several attempts to get you to send them to me, no response. That tells me you never documented the install. Maybe calling you out in public will get you to respond. Not sure what your problem is.

No Bob, this is me.  You called 1 time in the middle of the holiday season and I am sorry if I haven't responded yet.  I am still catching up.  I will not address this here and I am always happy to help folks out, especially you.  We have been friends for a long time and when you needed me after your prop strike, I was there for you.  For you to blast anyone like this is not ok and completely counterproductive. Further, it is not required that the Configuration Sheets get supplied to the owners.  I would love to help you out, but this is not ok to make your accusations and rants like this that are unsubstantiated. 

Edited January 11, 2022 by Baker Avionics