Replacing Baggage Door seal

[as350]

The rubber seal on the baggage door of my '67 M20E is definitely past it's "use by" date and I'm looking at replacement options. PN is 912018-501. 

I've come across an aftermarket door seal by Aircraft Door Seals, LLC. and was wondering if anybody has any feedback on this product, good or bad.

Aircraft Door Seals, LLC

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[Mooney Dog]

Not saying i've used weather stripping from home depot... but ive used weather stripping from home depot for this. you might have to cut it a bit to get a good fit but at $5 for a 6 yard roll, was worth it. 

[RLCarter]

I have the door seal by Aircraft Door Seals on both the entry & baggage doors, it seals really well but you have to extremely careful not to damage the seal after its installed 

Edited October 4, 2021 by RLCarter

[81X]

I just replaced my baggage door seal at annual and bought the factory one from Mooney via Lasar.  It’s great and fits perfectly.  The mechanic commented that he has  tried a number of different seals, but for this instance, factory is best for fit, finish and longevity, but not price!  

[PilotX]

Weatherstrip works just fine. Keeps the water and air out and forms a nice seal for the right price.

[PT20J]

Is that where the seal goes on an E? On the J it goes on the door, not the fuselage. I used T-9088 from Brown Aircraft Supply which is what Mooney used.

[as350]

18 minutes ago, PT20J said:

Is that where the seal goes on an E? On the J it goes on the door, not the fuselage. I used T-9088 from Brown Aircraft Supply which is what Mooney used.

My E has weather stripping both on the door and on the fuselage. The IPC for my vintage shows it on the fuselage only. I think one of the previous owners must have added their own on the baggage compartment door.

I placed an order this morning for the Aircraft Door Seals part and will see how well it fits/works. It is about 1/3 the cost of the OEM part, is FAA approved and is getting good reviews. Though I considered regular weather stripping for a split second, I am going to go the FAA approved route on this since it isn't really that much money. 

[DCarlton]

I just installed one of these and yes it goes on the fuselage and not the door in this case.  I've had them in both places.  

https://www.knots2u.net/baggage-door-seal-mooney-m20-series-ads-500-1002/

[Ragsf15e]

3 hours ago, PT20J said:

Is that where the seal goes on an E? On the J it goes on the door, not the fuselage. I used T-9088 from Brown Aircraft Supply which is what Mooney used.

At some point, they switched to putting them on the door instead of the fuselage.  On my ‘68F, both the door and baggage door seals are on the fuselage.  
These threads always confuse me because folks have used different kinds of seals and put them on either the door or the fuselage.  I wonder if Mooney changed the door edge at all when they started putting them on the door itself? I think it’s @Skates97 who did a really nice job putting a seal around the door itself, but I bet his airplane originally came with it on the fuselage?

[Ragsf15e]

5 hours ago, PilotX said:

Weatherstrip works just fine. Keeps the water and air out and forms a nice seal for the right price.

I have a small section of weather strip along the bottom of the door on my F too.  Essentially where the door brace hinge messes up the seal.

 I will say that you have to be careful that the HD weatherstripping doesn’t hold in water.  I have closed cell foam but I’ve noticed it a little squishy after washing and had to dry it out.  Not sure where the water is or if the oem one would be better?

[Skates97]

51 minutes ago, Ragsf15e said:

At some point, they switched to putting them on the door instead of the fuselage.  On my ‘68F, both the door and baggage door seals are on the fuselage.  
These threads always confuse me because folks have used different kinds of seals and put them on either the door or the fuselage.  I wonder if Mooney changed the door edge at all when they started putting them on the door itself? I think it’s @Skates97 who did a really nice job putting a seal around the door itself, but I bet his airplane originally came with it on the fuselage?

On my plane the cabin door has the seal on the door and the baggage door has the seal on the fuselage. There were options for the cabin door to put it either on the door or the fuselage. After reading different comments I decided on keeping it on the door to prevent damage from people getting in and out. That was a number of years ago and it is still in great shape, just add a little silicone lube to it a couple times a year to keep it from drying out.

[as350]

2 hours ago, DCarlton said:

I just installed one of these and yes it goes on the fuselage and not the door in this case.  I've had them in both places.  

https://www.knots2u.net/baggage-door-seal-mooney-m20-series-ads-500-1002/

That's the same kit that I ordered. 

[as350]

14 minutes ago, Skates97 said:

On my plane the cabin door has the seal on the door and the baggage door has the seal on the fuselage. There were options for the cabin door to put it either on the door or the fuselage. After reading different comments I decided on keeping it on the door to prevent damage from people getting in and out. That was a number of years ago and it is still in great shape, just add a little silicone lube to it a couple times a year to keep it from drying out.

My '67 E has the same configuration with the seal of the baggage door on the fuselage and the seal for the cabin door on the door itself. The seal on the cabin door looks to be in pretty good shape, it's the baggage door seal that has fallen apart. 

[PT20J]

I wonder if the doors and frames are really different or if Mooney just decided to start putting the seal on the door at some point. It seems that the seal would be less susceptible to damage when installed on the door. 

[DCarlton]

45 minutes ago, PT20J said:

I wonder if the doors and frames are really different or if Mooney just decided to start putting the seal on the door at some point. It seems that the seal would be less susceptible to damage when installed on the door. 

I had mine on the baggage door for years.  Prefer it that way; less damage.  Worked great.  I put it on the fuselage this time just to comply with the Knots 2 U install recommendation.  It fits nicely in the groove on the fuselage.  You're supposed to grease the thing with their silicone grease so the first thing you do is get grease on you when you reach in the baggage compartment.  Use sparingly.  :>  

Edited October 4, 2021 by DCarlton

[Skates97]

3 hours ago, DCarlton said:

I had mine on the baggage door for years.  Prefer it that way; less damage.  Worked great.  I put it on the fuselage this time just to comply with the Knots 2 U install recommendation.  It fits nicely in the groove on the fuselage.  You're supposed to grease the thing with their silicone grease so the first thing you do is get grease on you when you reach in the baggage compartment.  Use sparingly.  :>  

My experience as well... I put the grease on, then wait a bit, and wipe off the excess. I still seem to get some one me from time to time putting stuff in and taking it out.

[flyboy0681]

8 hours ago, DCarlton said:

I just installed one of these and yes it goes on the fuselage and not the door in this case.  I've had them in both places.  

https://www.knots2u.net/baggage-door-seal-mooney-m20-series-ads-500-1002/

We had this solution installed two years ago and it's all ripped and chewed up on the bottom from placing crap in the luggage area. At the next annual we'll have it removed and replaced with the one that adheres to the door.

[carusoam]

There are plenty of low cost solutions around here…

And there is a supplier of door seals around here… that may have something of better quality…

Lets invite @GEE-BEE AEROPRODUCTS to see if he has the baggage door seal…

Best regards,

-a-

[DCarlton]

7 minutes ago, GEE-BEE AEROPRODUCTS said:

If I had a sample I would extrude silicone in the oem profile and the duro would be 30

On the beech cabin  doors were the tolerance is very small between the hinges,  I designed a P seal shape seal to reduce the bulge .

I sell many per month and the door makes two latch points.

The generic auto foam seal with a self adhesive backing does not last long .

There is a shop that installs windows and new seals and removes all the aircraft door seal as the stress that is put in the hinge bushings .

Funny how people hack seals on there aircraft or install a different design and expect the door will fit and close like it did when it left ?

I don’t understand this group of owners 

 

Below is the J model up that I extruded per owner sample.

 

its perfect, great job Mooney on the design.

Just update the mil spec on the print and the seal will last for years and not shrink.

 

Quality is not cheap , if you can’t afford to maintain a aircraft, I suggest another hobby .

 

Safety first , what is the value of your life or family?

Is that for the baggage door or the cabin door?  Interestingly, I tired an OEM style approved cabin door gasket on my F about 15 years ago.  Probably spent a hundred on it.  After wrestling with it for half day, I still couldn't get the door to close properly.  I tore it off, went to the hardware store and have been using the same gasket ever since (about 15 years).  It's finally getting hard.  I could use a new gasket but I'm "afraid" to spend the money on another experiment.  Had the same experience with reproduction gaskets for my '73 Camaro.  Bought what supposed to be great one; tore it off and threw it away.  Got anything for a '67 F cabin door? 

[Bob E]

For what it's worth, here's what the factory-original baggage door seal for a '65 C looks like.  The liner is much newer but the inner welting was also original and has since been replaced.

[FlyingScot]

7 hours ago, GEE-BEE AEROPRODUCTS said:

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@GEE-BEE AEROPRODUCTS, would you please post a close-up pic of this seal installed on a door edge? What isn't clear is the orientation of the seal with respect to the edge of the door (setback, etc) - Thank you!

 

[DXB]

18 hours ago, flyboy0681 said:

We had this solution installed two years ago and it's all ripped and chewed up on the bottom from placing crap in the luggage area. At the next annual we'll have it removed and replaced with the one that adheres to the door.

Crap - I just bought this one for >$50, incorrectly thinking it was equivalent to the factory seal.  I bought it because I've had replace the cheap home depot weather stripping annually due to the exact problem you describe and got sick of doing it.  But this aftermarket product just looks like the same old weather stripping. I should have just bought the factory seal.

Edited October 5, 2021 by DXB

[PT20J]

The placement of the P seal is critical when placed on the door. The center of the circular cross section should lie in the rivet line so that when the door is closed, the seal compresses and fills the gap between the door and the frame. It’s easy to pull it too tight when rounding the corners. 

The main door is much tougher to get right — especially the bottom because the door corner radius doesn’t match the frame radius. The lower front corner is a source of exhaust intrusion if not sealed well. I took the right seat out so I could lie on the floor to see how the door matches up with the frame from the inside and marked the position with a sharpie.

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[Igor_U]

On 10/4/2021 at 10:20 AM, Ragsf15e said:

At some point, they switched to putting them on the door instead of the fuselage.  On my ‘68F, both the door and baggage door seals are on the fuselage.  
These threads always confuse me because folks have used different kinds of seals and put them on either the door or the fuselage.  I wonder if Mooney changed the door edge at all when they started putting them on the door itself? I think it’s @Skates97 who did a really nice job putting a seal around the door itself, but I bet his airplane originally came with it on the fuselage?

Interesting,

My '67F has both seals on a Entry door and Baggage door. This is haw it's called per IPC as well.

[Bartman]

I installed the Home Depot solution a few years ago. In the installation process I found that cleaning the old glue off to bare shiny aluminum and placement on the cabin door is crucial to success. First time it was too tight and the door would not shut properly.  Second time it was better. Third time we achieved the Goldilocks effect and it is tight, seals great, no air or water leaks, quieter and has lasted nearly 5 years without any further maintenance. All said it cost me 2 rolls which was about 20 bucks and I’m happy with the result.