Trash talking CFI slammed Mooney today why?

[manoflamancha]

So I'm at a local pilot BBQ and meet up with a so called CFI guru who trash talks Mooney as being inferior to Bonanzas. I ask him why and he goes on a rant that they are poorly built and that A&P have trouble working on them. I disagree and ask him again why he is against Mooney and realize he favors Beechcraft so I walk away.

[Marauder]

So I'm at a local pilot BBQ and meet up with a so called CFI guru who trash talks Mooney as being inferior to Bonanzas. I ask him why and he goes on a rant that they are poorly built and that A&P have trouble working on them. I disagree and ask him again why he is against Mooney and realize he favors Beechcraft so I walk away.

Does he own a plane? I always enjoy hearing comments from "experts".

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[manoflamancha]

This guy used to own a Bonanza and has some weird vendetta against Mooney. I told him ok whatever since I like Mooney and know they are well built with the steel cage and solid landing gear. Don't get me wrong, Bonanzas are great planes as well but not as fast or fuel efficient. If I had a wife and kids I'd get a Bonanza A36 but I'm a bachelor so a Mooney fits me well. Now it would be entertaining to get someone like Don Kaye a Mooney expert instructor and owner into a debate with this Bonanza instructor bigot.

[mulro767]

$100 says he's fat. Fat people don't like Mooney.

[DAVIDWH]

Was this the same CFI that crashed with student onboard from a runway excursion at downtown Wheeler in KC about a year ago, or was it the CFI time builder that told me to always drop flaps in a Mooney before gear?

 

 Ovation flap speed 120, gear speed 140??

 

I could go on, but you get the idea.

 

It's just the Ford Chevy thing. No winner.

 

You did the right thing by walking away.

[Alan Fox]

Different planes , different missions......I have both , like em both..  Do I prefer one over the other????  Yea.......

[RocketAviator]

Different planes , different missions......I have both , like em both.. Do I prefer one over the other???? Yea.......

Wise words.. which often fall on deaf ears!

OK I'll set the trap LOL... which one is it that you like best!

[scottfromiowa]

Don't answer...I like the mystery. Totally agree that they are BOTH fine planes. Both with advantages and shortcomings. I have never understood people that enjoy, yes enjoy, tearing something else down. You should have gotten him to mention nazi's...'cause then you win by default.

[phecksel]

He does have one point, especially the older mooney's are difficult to work on

 

Bo's are great planes, Mooney's are great planes.

 

Ever ridden in the back seat of a V-Tail in choppy air?

[47U]

$100 says he's fat. Fat people don't like Mooney.

I get your point... and it's been a long time since I've needed the PVC extension to change fuel tanks, but I liked my Mooney even way back then.

[Guest]

Next time you see the expert you may mention: wing attachment bolts, magnesium flight control skins, electric propellers, and old Continenetal engines, narrower than a Mooney, just to name a few.

Clarence

[FlyDave]

This guy used to own a Bonanza and has some weird vendetta against Mooney. I told him ok whatever since I like Mooney and know they are well built with the steel cage and solid landing gear. Don't get me wrong, Bonanzas are great planes as well but not as fast or fuel efficient. If I had a wife and kids I'd get a Bonanza A36 but I'm a bachelor so a Mooney fits me well. Now it would be entertaining to get someone like Don Kaye a Mooney expert instructor and owner into a debate with this Bonanza instructor bigot.

Why would you waste your time and energy?

Reminds me of an ad I saw years ago that said "if you keep your nose to the grindstone then all you'll get is a ground down nose".

[chrisk]

Next time you see the expert you may mention: wing attachment bolts, magnesium flight control skins, electric propellers, and old Continenetal engines, narrower than a Mooney, just to name a few.

Clarence

Aren't there a few spar ADs too

[chrisk]

I love my 231, but if I was operating on a grass field, I would rather have a Bonanza.  The prop clearance is my biggest beef with a Mooney.

[Lionudakis]

I got into a discussion with a local freelance mechanic that named every reason he hates Mooney's, I stopped listening at some point.. 

 

*They're 25 grand because know body want them so everyone who cant afford a real airplane can buy one.  

*A friend of his almost killed himself changing the gear donuts when the c clamp and safety wire he was compressing with let loose. 

*..those same donuts are life limited to a year now, so theres an automatic $1300ish per annual,  so he read somewhere.   (????)

*there's no room to work on any of the flight controls 

*a fellow mechanic cut himself working on one 

*the wings are hard to take off

*you have to have some special tools to accomplish certain tasks (because the others don't?)

he went on and on

[DaV8or]

CFIs are probably the most misinformed "experts" in all of aviation. As soon as they earn the ticket, every wive's tale, every rumor and all the hearsay, becomes fact. Nobody questions them much because, they are FAA certified instructors, they fly a lot, they're down at the airport all the time and so they must really know airplanes, right? They in turn, being emperors with no clothes, rarely question their own positions either.

 

You should have asked this CFI if he used to run his Bo LOP. When he would start to tell you all about burned valves, then you would know for sure to quit the debate.

[DaV8or]

I got into a discussion with a local freelance mechanic that named every reason he hates Mooney's, I stopped listening at some point.. 

 

*They're 25 grand because know body want them so everyone who cant afford a real airplane can buy one.  

*A friend of his almost killed himself changing the gear donuts when the c clamp and safety wire he was compressing with let loose. 

*..those same donuts are life limited to a year now, so theres an automatic $1300ish per annual,  so he read somewhere.   (????)

*there's no room to work on any of the flight controls 

*a fellow mechanic cut himself working on one 

*the wings are hard to take off

*you have to have some special tools to accomplish certain tasks (because the others don't?)

he went on and on

 

One of the very few legitimate beefs with Mooneys is they can be a PITA to work on. If you work on your own Mooney you'll see too. There is not a lot of extra room to swing a wrench, access to many things requires small hands only and many fasteners require special tools and creativity to get at. In the interest of flight efficiency, everything is quite compact. Maintenance efficiency was very much a secondary consideration at best.

 

This doesn't mean they can't be worked on, it just means it's not the breeze that Piper, Cessna or Beechcraft is. Work on your own Mooney awhile, then go over to the maintenance hangar and check out the other brands with their cowls off. You'll be amazed at all the extra space there is under there.

[manoflamancha]

Agree and this was for a BBQ at local FBO in RHV airport. The guy is tall and thin but anyways he is one of those Bonanza fanboys who hates Mooneys. Sad really since both are good aircraft fir different reasons. I'm not crazy about Arrows and 172RG that I used for training but I don't bash them either.

[N201MKTurbo]

This CFI is obviously of low character and intelligence.  

 

Why waste so many keystrokes on him?

[FlyWalt]

"into a debate with this Bonanza instructor bigot"

 

It is not worth anyones time to debate with an idiot. At best you win and educate a moron for a moment. The next moment his limited mental abilities move right back to his favorite position after you leave.

 

Both airplanes are beautiful works of art and engineering in their own rite. And we all know that in this forum. Ignore the ignorant who do not.

[scottfromiowa]

The only Bo I regularly see is at D25 in Northern Wisconsin. He swoops down over the airport and pulls into steep climbing turns...Saw him do multiple bounces on landing on a couple of occasions. Truly he has mastered the machine...

It is a pleasure to behold...

[Alan Fox]

Not picking sides , but the Mooney is not a bad annual to perform , you trade off removing the interior over removing the belly skins......trust me the belly skins are a much easier task.....the Beech interior is put on aluminum skin that (oil cans) into channels.....It is an engineering masterpiece , but a pain in the ass to remove , (easy as hell to install) ..... from a maintenance standpoint , the Mooney is not hard to work on..... Mechanics tend to like what they are familiar with , and shun what they are not.....  Also people will compare a 47 Beech , to a 67 Mooney , that's just stupid.......

[aviatoreb]

I haven't met an airplane I didn't like.

[Guest]

Aren't there a few spar ADs too

Yes, I forgot the spar carry thru AD. In his defence Mooney flight control cables are a real bugger to tension correctly.

Clarence

[DaV8or]

Yes, I forgot the spar carry thru AD. In his defence Mooney flight control cables are a real bugger to tension correctly.

Clarence

 

I thought we had all push rods??