What’s the biggest myth about Mooney’s?

[mooniac15u]

That you use an apostrophe when you make Mooney plural.

[Mooneymite]

34 minutes ago, mooniac15u said:

That you use an apostrophe when you make Mooney plural.

or ...Moonies

[WAFI]

On 1/9/2022 at 11:50 PM, Hank said:

It's not so much difficult to get out of as it is impossible to get out of gracefully, especially from the right seat.

I find it hard to get out of… Only for the mer fact that I don’t want to get out. 

[EricJ]

10 minutes ago, Mooneymite said:

or ...Moonies

Everybody gets a spouse! 

[Yourpilotincommand]

Biggest myth? Hmmmm… Mooneys will get you laid way more than Pipers or Cessnas :-)

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Yourpilotincommand said:

Biggest myth? Hmmmm… Mooneys will get you laid way more than Pipers or Cessnas :-)

Not with the puny equipment in a Mooney!

Clarence

[Austintatious]

Ive got one...

 

The MYTH that Rockets are Nose heavy because of the larger engine.

That would be true if they didn't put the Charlie weights in... but it would also be true that if it had a rotor it would be a helicopter.  They DO put the charlie weights in.

Furthermore, the CG envelope is not changed.  Literally the ONLY way I can be out of CG by being too far forward is if I put two large adults up front and have nothing in the baggage area.  And even then the aircraft flies just fine  ( yea I did this when I first got the aircraft not paying attention.., shame on me)

But put about 40 lbs in the baggage compartment and you are fine.  That is usually the case for me and my wife when we go somewhere.  I am not even certain you can get out of CG to the rear, unless you have a baggage compartment full of gold bullion.

That being said... i would love to get an MT propeller.  I hear that takes about 50 lbs off the nose and that would mean I could likely remove some of the charlie weights.  That would put me over 1150 lbs of useful load.

[carusoam]

That starts a whole new topic…

Myths about MT props for Mooneys….  

-a-

[Amelia]

Not really impressed with Mr. Mojo’s in-depth understanding of Mooneys. First, there’s a good bit of difference between the speeds, space, and performance of the various models of Mooney M20. (A through U?) Second, he started off talking about the manual gear, then showed us the electric-gear one. Third, he told us how cramped they are, without differentiating between the short bodies, the long-bodies, the ones with articulating seats, or pointing out the sports-car low seating with legs stretched out front. We had plenty of room for four adults in our K model, and even more leg room in our Screaming Eagle. Seems like he could have spent a little more time on his “preflight” before taking to the air.

[ZuluZulu]

2 hours ago, Amelia said:

Not really impressed with Mr. Mojo’s in-depth understanding of Mooneys. First, there’s a good bit of difference between the speeds, space, and performance of the various models of Mooney M20. (A through U?) Second, he started off talking about the manual gear, then showed us the electric-gear one. Third, he told us how cramped they are, without differentiating between the short bodies, the long-bodies, the ones with articulating seats, or pointing out the sports-car low seating with legs stretched out front. We had plenty of room for four adults in our K model, and even more leg room in our Screaming Eagle. Seems like he could have spent a little more time on his “preflight” before taking to the air.

The content mines wait for no man.

[carusoam]

Amelia KNOWS professional publication….   

Our self taught YouTube friends seem to find out the hard way…

They don’t even have anyone to proof-read what they are saying….

The wave of positive Mooney comments in the comment section are interesting to read…

Best regards,

-a-

[KB4]

21 hours ago, Amelia said:

good bit of difference between the speeds

Thank You!  He said that J cruises at 135k something like that.  More like 157k.  He shaved off 25kts.  Believe he said the owner cruises at that speed, If he’s trying to stretch fuel then ok, but if he’s flying it how it wants he/she should be seeing 150kts, or something isn’t right in that IO360.  
 

maybe he wants to make his sling seem faster than a J.
But he should have said that the J cruises faster then his Sling’s Vne. Kinda puts it all in perspective.  
 

Would love to see Mike produce a REAL 201 video.  Not someone who clearly knew little about Mooney. 

[carusoam]

Video outline…

100 strong points about Mooneys…

10 seconds per point…

add an intro…. And some credits…

1k+ seconds….

You could end up with a 20 minute production that everyone would love to watch…

except brand P owners… 

-a-

[aviatoreb]

I think the biggest Mooney myth is that they are small inside.  I rejected several other aircraft when I was shopping, most particularly the Bonanza, because I was less comfortable - 6'4'' and long legged for my height even, as I am.  Mooney is especially comfortable for tall pilots.  The foot well is especially long for my long legs, sitting low with legs forward as we do, and I even had an extra seat pin added for the pilot position so my seat goes back (this one goes to 11).  It is a tad wider than most and definitely longer.  Al Mooney was 6'5'' and they say he made himself an airplane.  And me one too.  I would bet my legs are longer than his.  It is a fantastic airplane for two and a capable airplane for 3.  For 4 - well no one wants to sit behind me with my seat like that, but with careful fueling I have carried 4 with my seat further forward than I like.

[A64Pilot]

When I was looking I flew a Neighbors V-35, money was about the same and there has been a cult following for the Bo’s since I was a little boy.

What shocked me was how cramped it was inside, I expected it to be like a C-210 which is pretty roomy, but the Bo has no more room than a Mooney, longer cabin, but I don’t care about what’s behind me.

In the last four months I’ve had two total knee replacements, both are now not “real”.

That has a tendency to really highlight the difficulty in getting in and out of a Mooney, but surprisingly as you can sit in the right seat and slide over it’s easier to get into than many aircraft that pretty much require you to kneel in a seat.

Its the nose gear well that gives the feeling of being cramped as it does restrict your legs, but if you can slide your seat back it helps a whole lot. Flying up here I had to take a belt and strap my legs together to keep my knees off of the nose gear well, but that’s of course not normal.

[aviatoreb]

On 1/9/2022 at 6:25 AM, M20Doc said:

I flew a J model yesterday, it reinforced my decision on buying my Comanche. Small cabin, noisy, lacks acceleration, climbs too slow, cruises too slow, but it is good on fuel.

Clarence

Ummmm - well at least fly an ovation or an acclaim for a reasonable sort of horsepower comparison.

is your 400 the same seating arrangement as the twinkie I used to ride in?  I thought that was a neat plane.

 

[201er]

4 hours ago, KB4 said:

Thank You!  He said that J cruises at 135k something like that.  More like 157k.  He shaved off 25kts.  Believe he said the owner cruises at that speed

Nope! He just conflated indicated airspeed with true airspeed! Doesn't know the difference. 135knots indicated at 8000ft is in fact 150-160 knots true depending on conditions. Instead he goes on saying how it can do 200 knots with a tailwind. So can a cow sucked up in a tornado. True airspeed is the only relevant comparison between airplanes so that when they both depart in the same wind, you can estimate how long it will take them to reach their destination.

 

4 hours ago, KB4 said:

Would love to see Mike produce a REAL 201 video.  Not someone who clearly knew little about Mooney. 

Your wish is granted.

 

[KB4]

7 hours ago, 201er said:

Nope! He just conflated indicated airspeed with true airspeed! Doesn't know the difference. 135knots indicated at 8000ft is in fact 150-160 knots true depending on conditions. Instead he goes on saying how it can do 200 knots with a tailwind. So can a cow sucked up in a tornado. True airspeed is the only relevant comparison between airplanes so that when they both depart in the same wind, you can estimate how long it will take them to reach their destination.

 

Your wish is granted.

 

Wow that fast.  Great info. 

[Guest]

17 hours ago, aviatoreb said:

Ummmm - well at least fly an ovation or an acclaim for a reasonable sort of horsepower comparison.

is your 400 the same seating arrangement as the twinkie I used to ride in?  I thought that was a neat plane.

 

The 400 cabin configuration is the same as early PA30 and PA24-180/250/260, with a rear bench seat. “B” models of both had six seats.

Clarence

[y2kiah]

I don't think it's been mentioned... the "laminar flow wing" is another myth you hear all the time. And also the "tail on backwards" thing - not so much a myth, but definitely a line you always hear, as if the design was not deliberate.

[y2kiah]

20 hours ago, 201er said:

Nope! He just conflated indicated airspeed with true airspeed! Doesn't know the difference. 135knots indicated at 8000ft is in fact 150-160 knots true depending on conditions.

MojoGrip's terrible video aside, I have a '78 J and 135 KIAS is very much in line with what I see for cruise speeds at altitude.

135 knots indicated is 132 CAS. Converted to TAS at 8000 ft on a standard day, that is 149 KTAS. Taking winds aloft into account, you will more often than not see ground speeds in the 140's range.

Now let's say it is a hot Florida summer day, and the ground temperature is 32 C. That would equate to roughly 18 C at altitude, but that is also a density altitude of over 10,000. I can expect to see around 130 KIAS in those conditions, which is a CAS of 127 and a TAS of 148.

At 2400-2500 RPM, I would typically see a fuel flow of 9.2 to 9.6 which is at or slightly below peak EGT, where I prefer to set my mixture. If I go much leaner, the speed drop-off really starts to get depressing, although the fuel flows do drop into the mid 8 gph range.

I don't expect that my J is as fast as 201er's with his beautiful new paint, and my rigging issues, but I think 150-160 TAS range is an optimistic stretch for a J. You could probably get those speeds at a lower DA, but that would be very high power cruise and a high fuel flow to match. I would have trouble keeping my cylinders at or below 400 under those conditions.

This is just one J owner's perspective. Let the flood of negative feedback begin!!

[toto]

6 minutes ago, y2kiah said:

I think 150-160 TAS range is an optimistic stretch for a J.

Do you mean it's optimistic when operating lean of peak?

[y2kiah]

3 minutes ago, toto said:

Do you mean it's optimistic when operating lean of peak?

Yes I mean LOP. It's not unrealistic for a high power cruise. I can see as high as 150 indicated down low and at high power, but that is not a realistic cruise in my experience.

[201er]

15 minutes ago, y2kiah said:

Yes I mean LOP. It's not unrealistic for a high power cruise. I can see as high as 150 indicated down low and at high power, but that is not a realistic cruise in my experience.

 

 

 

 

Edited January 16, 2022 by 201er

[carusoam]

11 hours ago, philip_g said:

Also that weird cap on top of the envelope shifts rearward.

Which weird cap are you describing?

 

The long bodies have an interesting top section limitation in their envelope…

It can easily fly at one weight…

But ‘has’ to be below another weight for landing…

MGToW vs. MGLW…

The difference is about an hour’s worth of fuel…

PP thoughts only,

-a-