201er Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 When ATC asks me to say type (during VFR), should I say M20J or M20P? For IFR, apparently I'm supposed to file M20P (which is all non-turbo Mooneys). Also should I say it as "em twenty jay" or "mike two zero juliet?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 You're a Mike Two Zero Papa as far as ATC is concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST FLIGHT OPTIONS LLC Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 When you call ATC (VFR) they obviously want to know who you are, where you are, and what altitude your at. This helps them determine if you belong on that frequency or somewhere else. Once they track you and radar identify you they are going to want to get you in the computer. I believe they can only eneter the informaiton the same way you enter it in DUATS so... I would would say specifically "M20P (or T) slant (your equipment code)" to avoid confussion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PTK Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 All ATC really cares about is who you are, where you are, how high you are and what's your speed relative to other aircraft they are dealing with. Â I think "Mooney Mike two zero Papa (or Tango)" is sufficient as far as who and what relative speed to expect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
231flyer Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 I attended a talk given by a retired controller in Colorado (Rocky Mountain fly-in) and he preferred "EM TWO ZERO PAPA (or TANGO if turbo like me)".  I also own a Piper Mirage and controllers in the DFW area refer to it as a "P A forty  six" (PA46-350P official type) but the Mooney is refered as above so not sure if there is exact nomenclature (except M20P or T). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sreid Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 I am afraid 'M20 slant P' would cause more confusion, because M20P is the aircraft identifier. Â M20P slant G or slant A, or whatever your suffix is, would be correct, but I think ATC would be happy with M20P as rob suggested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 ATC is asking for a type, not a model designation. ATC is aware of M20P and M20T. If you aren't turbocharged, your type is M20P - Regardless of if your model is an A - J. Using a slant would indicate an equipment code, and I don't think /P is a valid one (or if so, I've never heard of it). I wouldn't say "slant" on the radio unless you were going to specify how you're equipped, and even then I'd so so after identifying your type. For example, I'd be a "Mike two zero papa slant golf" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisH Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 Curious, why would you say EM, and not MIKE? E.g. MIKE 2 0 TANGO vs. Â EM 2 0 TANGO? I have no idea what's correct, I've done both probably, and they must have worked because I don't rembember getting any feeback. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSMooniac Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 I always say "M-20-Papa" since they already know me as a Mooney from the call-up. Â Out of habit I sometimes throw in "slant Golf" as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
231flyer Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 I am sure the correct nomenclature and phraseology is covered in an official ATC publication.  I found an easy two pager that seems to cover most for new pilots.  Not comprehensive but adequate to keep the controllers happy that your are trying to be intelligible.  http://www.flyjohn.com/atc_phraseology.pdf  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 When they ask [not very often], I tell 'em "MIKE TWO ZERO PAPA." Of course, "Mooney" is included in my initial call up, too. I'm asked somewhat more often about my equipment, and I always reply "SLANT GOLF" to those queries. Not sure what combining the "slant" into the "type" would do to ATC, but it would confuse ME . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piloto Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 What they really need to know if you are a piston or turbine plane for speed purposes. This way they can decide whether to put you ahead or behind a jet plane. Typical pistons approach speed is 80kts while turbines would be 120kts. All you need to tell them is I am Mooney. All Mooney models have the same approach speed for ATC purposes  José Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orangemtl Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 "Mike 20 Tango Slant Golf" is what my instructor recommended for the Acclaim. Â Better slightly more info than less for ATC, I'm presuming. If they want to simply enter 'Mooney' into their system, so be it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
201er Posted November 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 Do they really care if you're slant whatever if you're strictly VFR? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orangemtl Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 I dunno. Perhaps it's useful for them; perhaps not. Better to provide the info, IMO; hardly an additional effort. Â I tend to follow the original recommendations of my instructor. I see no downside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadrach Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 Quote: Piloto What they really need to know if you are a piston or turbine plane for speed purposes. This way they can decide whether to put you ahead or behind a jet plane. Typical pistons approach speed is 80kts while turbines would be 120kts. All you need to tell them is I am Mooney. All Mooney models have the same approach speed for ATC purposes  José Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadrach Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 Quote: 201er Do they really care if you're slant whatever if you're strictly VFR? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabanaboy Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 After reading this, my conclusion is we have agreed on "Mooney Mike Two Zero Papa"....For a "J". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carusoam Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 Phonetically M20P, egotistically append Ovation after /G Best regards, -a- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadrach Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 I just say M20Papa... They get it without needing the phonetics. That's how they say it to me, so I just match talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parker_Woodruff Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 "Mike Twenty Papa" Â I guess I should be saying "Mike Twenty Tango" now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lahso Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 Quote: Shadrach I just say M20Papa... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabanaboy Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 I am a new private pilot, do you say hold short Thirtysix? When ATC tells you to hold short for landing traffic on 36 or hold short tree six? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carusoam Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 Cabana, If they say tree, I say tree. Â Got this around Philly this week. Runway would be tree six Altitude one one thousand, not eleven thousand. -a- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 Quote: Parker_Woodruff "Mike Twenty Papa" Â I guess I should be saying "Mike Twenty Tango" now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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