62C - interior questions

[jakearey]

Hey gang - looking at redoing the interior panels and carpet. A few questions; 

1. The box area behind the J bar is covered in carpet. Other models I see have a hard plastic covering. This is the box area where the trim indicator and flap indicator are located.  I am hesitant to remove the carpet for fear of not being able to replace it. Does anyone know if I can buy plastic coverings for it? Plane plastics?  It would clean it up a bit. 
 

2. Secondly,  the panels on the interior do not seem to be factory, in my opinion. They are pretty flimsy pieces of a plastic board, covered with carpet.  I think I will need new plastics as I don’t believe these to be recoverable.  I have seen and heard of “upper and lower plastics” but mine seems to be 1 piece. Does anyone know if the plastics for a 62 are different than the 64-67, etc?  
 

3. I love the Jeager spacial panels but this model I have has the retractable step mechanism that’s on the left side panel. Does anyone know if they offer a left panel with a hole cut for the step system? 
 

4. Lastly, the fuel selector on the 62 does not have the strainer in the floor. It has always bothered me that there’s not a bevel on the fuel selector to keep the carpet situated right on top of the fuel selector. It appears as though the pre cut carpet offered does not have a hole already for this circular fuel selector. I am looking for something to kind of clean that up and to secure the carpet around the edge of the selector.  I have found new selectors but they all appear to be for later models that have the strainer.  
 

Any thoughts or advice would be greatly appreciated.  I have searched for the answers to these on the site but have not been able to find answers for these specific questions.  
 

thanks guys! 
JA 

[Andy95W]

1.) the hard plastic for the Johnson Bar floor was original, at least for some of the earlier years.  Most have been changed to carpet to make the installation look cleaner.  Carpet sets (such as Airtex) have that center section included as part of the whole piece.  The carpeting I s not difficult to replace.

 

3.) The Spatial Interior pieces really aren't made for pre-1965 Mooneys. The steel tube frame, especially under the rear windows, changed for the 1965 square windows.  There is not a Spatial panel that includes the retractable step.  This is not insurmountable, there is a guy here on Mooneyspace that has an electric replacement. @takair

I installed as much of the Spatial system as would fit, but in the end that only came down to rear seat pieces and those fancy pockets. Everything else I did with Kydex sheet.  I would not recommend the Spatial Interior for 1964 and earlier- but for the later modes it's fantastic.

[MIm20c]

I have the same problem with my fuel selector. Planning on making a ring out of plastic that holds down the carpet and has enough height to protect the selector from being bumped. 

[jakearey]

9 minutes ago, Andy95W said:

1.) the hard plastic for the Johnson Bar floor was original, at least for some of the earlier years.  Most have been changed to carpet to make the installation look cleaner.  Carpet sets (such as Airtex) have that center section included as part of the whole piece.  The carpeting I s not difficult to replace.

 

3.) The Spatial Interior pieces really aren't made for pre-1965 Mooneys. The steel tube frame, especially under the rear windows, changed for the 1965 square windows.  There is not a Spatial panel that includes the retractable step.  This is not insurmountable, there is a guy here on Mooneyspace that has an electric replacement. @takair

I installed as much of the Spatial system as would fit, but in the end that only came down to rear seat pieces and those fancy pockets. Everything else I did with Kydex sheet.  I would not recommend the Spatial Interior for 1964 and earlier- but for the later modes it's fantastic.

Hey I appreciate your responses. Good to know about the spacial interiors. I guess I will find a different route to go.  I will look into the carpeting sets to see if I can find the replacement carpeting. Thanks  

[carusoam]

JA,
Important decision...

Economics...

Is this a forever plane on a more open budget, or every dime counts on a more CB budget?

My CB budget did nice carpeting on my old 65C using airtex....

Some minor disconnection of controls is required to get in the area... some people added some Velcro closures on a slit to avoid disconnecting the controls...

The hump is where your nose wheel hides when it is stowed...

Next steps may include how well your indicators are working of flaps and trim...

Best regards,

-a-

[jakearey]

3 minutes ago, carusoam said:

JA,
Important decision...

Economics...

Is this a forever plane on a more open budget, or every dime counts on a more CB budget?

My CB budget did nice carpeting on my old 65C using airtex....

Some minor disconnection of controls is required to get in the area... some people added some Velcro closures on a slit to avoid disconnecting the controls...

The hump is where your nose wheel hides when it is stowed...

Next steps may include how well your indicators are working of flaps and trim...

Best regards,

-a-

A - thanks for your response.  As with everything, budget matters but the cost for the carpeting I found online seems reasonable at around 400, from SCS interiors.  I also found vinyl flooring options that are pre cut. That seems pretty attractive as it would be very easy to clean.   Have you seen the vinyl installed before? 

You mentioned CB, don’t know what that stands for.   I looked up airtex online and the carpeting they offer shows it is for later years. 65+ I believe.  
 

What controls are required to be disconnected?  Are you referring to the area with the indicators?   The trim indicator isn’t accurate. How would one go about fixing that?  
 

as you can tell, very new to this process. 

Thanks! 
JA 

[carusoam]

For floor carpeting... all short bodies will be near identical...

SCS is the much higher quality product... where $400 is a bit rich for the ordinary Cheap Bas...

I have not seen the vinyl flooring product used in a Mooney...

Somewhere in my flying days... I got shoes that are better for rudder pedals but are crummy for walking around... they live in the plane...

I went with brown nylon carpet from airtex... two kids and juice boxes were the norm... 

 

If this is a forever-plane... SCS and A Spatial Interior... looks like a new plane when finished.

We have contacts for SCS and Spatial around MS...

Best regards,

-a-

[jakearey]

34 minutes ago, carusoam said:

For floor carpeting... all short bodies will be near identical...

SCS is the much higher quality product... where $400 is a bit rich for the ordinary Cheap Bas...

I have not seen the vinyl flooring product used in a Mooney...

Somewhere in my flying days... I got shoes that are better for rudder pedals but are crummy for walking around... they live in the plane...

I went with brown nylon carpet from airtex... two kids and juice boxes were the norm... 

 

If this is a forever-plane... SCS and A Spatial Interior... looks like a new plane when finished.

We have contacts for SCS and Spatial around MS...

Best regards,

-a-

Appreciate all of the help!  I’m curious about the vinyl Flooring option.  I will look to see if I can find plastic replacement for the wheel well so that I don’t have vinyl flooring with carpet wheel well.  
 

The gentleman above mentioned that Jeager interiors are made for 65 or 66 and newer and he doesn’t believe they will fit the round windows in the rear. I’ll have to call them to see what they think.  It sounds like I might have to piece together pieces from here and there to get the outcome I am looking for, unless I have someone make custom panels, which seems much more expensive.  

[carusoam]

64 and older... have the nice curvy windows to contend with...

For those parts... check with plane plastics again... or dress up the existing parts...

There are threads regarding salvaging the old plastic parts...

Best regards,

-a-

[cctsurf]

On 10/26/2019 at 5:27 PM, carusoam said:

There are threads regarding salvaging the old plastic parts...

Could you point me to these threads?  Since you said that, I've been searching, but I haven't found anything...

I have been thinking about trying to make my own somehow out of carbon fiber, but I think refurbishing the old ones might be less time consuming.

Thanks!

James

Edited October 28, 2019 by cctsurf

[carusoam]

James,

See if this can get you started...

There are threads that discuss the cracked panels, making a plastic paste, using a fiberglass tape, sanding the surface, and proper paint to use to hide all the near invisible tracks... find the right plastic that will be compatible with the old ABS Parts... and the right solvent to dissolve the stuff...

Then there are the euro cloth covers... a stretch fabric that is used on some modern Mooneys...

https://mooneyspace.com/search/?q=Fixing cracks interior&updated_after=any&sortby=relevancy&search_and_or=and

 

Do you have any artistic creative skills?  Some MSers have amazing skills and create works of art... I can generally drill a hole, in the right place... not much more...   

 

Wish I had the memory power to spout the names of everything...

The search function works moderately well... find where you can use two or three words to make it be more specific...

As far as carbon fiber parts go... if  you can make a proper mold you can make dozens of parts...

There is a recent pic of an MSer’s cowl mold around here... that is plastic fantastic!

PP thoughts only, not a carbon fiber, mold guy... polymers are just a hobby for me... 

Best regards,

-a-

[jakearey]

On 10/26/2019 at 2:16 PM, Andy95W said:

1.) the hard plastic for the Johnson Bar floor was original, at least for some of the earlier years.  Most have been changed to carpet to make the installation look cleaner.  Carpet sets (such as Airtex) have that center section included as part of the whole piece.  The carpeting I s not difficult to replace.

 

3.) The Spatial Interior pieces really aren't made for pre-1965 Mooneys. The steel tube frame, especially under the rear windows, changed for the 1965 square windows.  There is not a Spatial panel that includes the retractable step.  This is not insurmountable, there is a guy here on Mooneyspace that has an electric replacement. @takair

I installed as much of the Spatial system as would fit, but in the end that only came down to rear seat pieces and those fancy pockets. Everything else I did with Kydex sheet.  I would not recommend the Spatial Interior for 1964 and earlier- but for the later modes it's fantastic.

For what it’s worth, you were right about the Jeager interiors. I spoke with Bruce yesterday, very nice guy. The pre 64 stuff will not work with his interior system. Apparently the front windows were bigger as well which creates problems with the entire system.  Bruce was very very helpful and offered that if I send him some pictures he would be happy to help give me some ideas.  
 

It seems as though plane plastics, airtex or something 100% custom will be the path I have to take.    
 

I will continue to provide updates as I receive them.  Thanks for the help, MS. 

[jakearey]

10 hours ago, cctsurf said:

Could you point me to these threads?  Since you said that, I've been searching, but I haven't found anything...

I have been thinking about trying to make my own somehow out of carbon fiber, but I think refurbishing the old ones might be less time consuming.

Thanks!

James

If you go to Jeager interiors online you can find the PDF he made about refurbishing plastics. He notes what products to use and how to go about it.  Unfortunately my 62 doesn’t have any plastics to redo. It’s all carpet sides with metal window framing.  Hope this helps. 

[cctsurf]

11 hours ago, carusoam said:

Do you have any artistic creative skills?  Some MSers have amazing skills and create works of art... I can generally drill a hole, in the right place... not much more...   

I'm no artist...I don't have the patience or time right now.  I just had my interior out for some work, and I noticed that a number of the trim pieces are cracked, so I was curious on the repair procedure.  Next time I have it out, I'll have to do some repair.

I love the idea of the lightness of a carbon fiber interior, but I also think it could make the interior really dark.  I could see it as a part of a full sports car redo of the interior...Beautiful.

It's disappointing that the Spacial interior won't work with our older planes, but totally understandable.  I know the wind screen is much shorter on the later model mooneys with square windows.  It really lowers the visibility, imho.    @jakearey, I appreciate being pointed toward his pdf on refurbishing plastics, that will be helpful when I need to do some repair work.

@carusoamThanks for the link on the search...  it's important to have the right search terms.  Mine weren't bringing up what I needed.  I usually use google site:mooneyspace.com and then whatever I'm looking for, but I still wasn't getting much help.

[carusoam]

Mr. Jaeger’s Spatial Interior isn’t very old... a handful of years...?

It might be worth asking him what it would take to entice him to build interior parts for ‘64 and older..?

There are more and more As, Bs, and early Cs getting total refreshment treatments...

Best regards,

-a-