Abandoned Mooneys

[TTaylor]

24 minutes ago, Hyett6420 said:

Hank, you know i love you dearly, BUT have you actually looked at a map of Europe and then compared it to the usa?  (Hint, europe is a damn sight bigger). You could quite easily electrify your rail network, it just takes investment and planning. Your rail network is pretty dire to be honest, for instance how many 200mph trains do you have? . 

Sorry, Hyett but Europe is not bigger than the Continental US.  From West to East the US is equivalent to going from The Lisbon, Portugal to Moscow.  If we go diagonally it is an other 500 km or about 4500 km across.  total land mass is also larger.

"The area of the United States (including Alaska and Hawaii) is 9,161,923 km2, while the area of Europe is 3,788,027 km2. The United States is almost two and a half times the size of the European Union."

Just to keep the facts straight. 

 

[Hank]

@Hyett6420 Technically, almost all of Russia is in Asia . . . . 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Hyett6420 said:

Hank, you know i love you dearly, BUT have you actually looked at a map of Europe and then compared it to the usa?  (Hint, europe is a damn sight bigger). You could quite easily electrify your rail network, it just takes investment and planning. Your rail network is pretty dire to be honest, for instance how many 200mph trains do you have? . 

Andrew,

The trains will be installed after the southern fence!

Clarence

[RobertGary1]

2 hours ago, Hyett6420 said:

BATTERY chargers, how the hell can they be different?  Surely its the same wher ever you go. 

charger must be state approved. So different pet numbers for Californian legal ones. 

https://www.theverge.com/2012/1/17/2713315/california-battery-charger-efficiency-regulation-enacted

Lawn push mowers must meet smog regs too so they’re different in California too  

-Robert

[neilpilot]

4 hours ago, Hyett6420 said:

Hank, you know i love you dearly, BUT have you actually looked at a map of Europe and then compared it to the usa?  (Hint, europe is a damn sight bigger). You could quite easily electrify your rail network, it just takes investment and planning. Your rail network is pretty dire to be honest, for instance how many 200mph trains do you have? . 

Andrew, after Brexit will the UK still be considered Europe??

[Skates97]

5 hours ago, Hyett6420 said:

Hank, you know i love you dearly, BUT have you actually looked at a map of Europe and then compared it to the usa?  (Hint, europe is a damn sight bigger). You could quite easily electrify your rail network, it just takes investment and planning. Your rail network is pretty dire to be honest, for instance how many 200mph trains do you have? . 

California is working on trying to build one, it's going to go through the central valley from.... wait for it... Nowhere to Nowhere!!!!

"The voters may have wanted a train between San Francisco and Los Angeles, but first they’re getting a train between San Jose and an agricultural field near Wasco."

http://www.ocregister.com/2017/10/07/california-high-speed-rail-blows-past-another-deadline/

[Raptor05121]

Cmon guys, please stay on topic here

[EricJ]

8 hours ago, Hyett6420 said:

The first train ever was only two hundrd yards long so Rome was not built in a day.  You must remember you guys are a backward country and still learning, for example

1. you drive on the wrong side of the road
2. it took you ages to get bluetooth on your phones, about 5 years after we had it
3. you still use cheques to pay bills
4. only use the internet for porn
5. you declared independence from the UK but kept all the names of the towns.
6. and you still give thanks ( by eating Turkeys)  that the Pilgrim Fathers landed on a spit of landed full of rainbow flags and gay people.  

 

1.   No we don't.   Prove it! 

2.  We probably quit using it before you did, too. 

3.  I don't think we've ever used "cheques" to pay bills.

4.  Wait, what do *you* use it for?

5.  Only the cool ones.

6.  I can't even.

 

luv u guyz

[Skates97]

"We now return you to your regularly scheduled program already in progress..."

I was out at the airport today to take a few trips around the patch and see if the rpm issue on my new EDM 830 had been solved. As I was pulling out the plane I saw another Mooney go taxiing by. It is one that I have never seen move from its tie down in the year that I have been out there. It was down in the run-up area when I got down there but then taxied off somewhere else. Four trips around the pattern later and I was back at my hangar pushing the plane back in when that Mooney went taxiing by again so I finished putting my plane away and drove over to where that one is normally tied down to introduce myself.

Super nice guy there with his two boys. He's owned the plane, a 1976 E, for about ten years but neither he nor the plane have flown for a long time. He is getting back to flying, said he needs to get current and needs to have an annual done on the plane. He was just out taking his boys for a taxi ride down to the end of the field to wash the plane. Nice to see that this one isn't going to just rot away like some others. I suspect it is not going to be inexpensive to get it ready to fly (it didn't sound very good) but if the vehicle they got into to drive away is any indication I think he can swing it.

[Raptor05121]

Boy it sure is nice introducing yourselves to fellow pilots. Keep supporting him !

[DaV8or]

On 11/23/2017 at 1:05 PM, Hyett6420 said:

Hank, you know i love you dearly, BUT have you actually looked at a map of Europe and then compared it to the usa?  (Hint, europe is a damn sight bigger). You could quite easily electrify your rail network, it just takes investment and planning. Your rail network is pretty dire to be honest, for instance how many 200mph trains do you have? . 

Why do we need 200 mph trains?? We have 500 mph sky trains. As cramped and terrible as the sky trains are, I still much prefer to get where I'm going much faster.

[Shadrach]

On 11/4/2017 at 7:43 PM, 1967 427 said:

There are 2 Mooney's that, in my opinion are not airworthy at my airport. (Again this is only my opinion, I am not an A&P).  It might be difficult to see in the picture, but there is a sawhorse holding up the wing.  This plane was tied down near the tower, and there the wing was actually laying on the ground.  It was recently moved to its present location - out on the back forty.  The other, sorry I don't have a picture, is a Porsche Mooney.  It does look airworthy....other than the moss all over it.  At one time I considered tracking down the owner and making him an offer, then I researched what it would take to transplant a real aircraft engine.

 

That appears to be a wooden wing. I can't tell from the picture if the wing has impact damage or had the plywood skin removed and has rotted. That thing is a mess but I would be interested in seeing close-ups of the wing on the sawhorse.

[1967 427]

On November 26, 2017 at 4:16 AM, Shadrach said:

That appears to be a wooden wing. I can't tell from the picture if the wing has impact damage or had the plywood skin removed and has rotted. That thing is a mess but I would be interested in seeing close-ups of the wing on the sawhorse.

Here are the additional close-ups of the wing, sorry it took awhile.  Occasionally life gets in the way of flying.

[Hank]

Yes, that was a wood wing Mooney. They are supposed to be faster, with a smoother ride. They are also supposed to not look like this!

[EricJ]

I don't know if this one is actually abandoned, but I saw it yesterday at Casa Grande (KCGZ).   Faded paint, looked like a well-worn C model that had an unfortunate event.    We were discussing that it's value is probably close to zero as it sits.    Sad to see.   I don't know when this happened to it, but it wasn't there the last time I was at this airport.

 

[carusoam]

Last flight 12/28...? FA says their last FA recorded flight was ‘near’ Kingman to ‘near’ Chandler....

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N5593Q

-a-

[Dream to fly]

On ‎10‎/‎26‎/‎2017 at 5:59 AM, Raptor05121 said:

Wow, its a shame to see that J model sitting there.

Those are the planes a group of us should save. 

I keep thinking there has to be a way to rebuild these birds cost effectively.  I don't think it can be done to get rich but it can be done to pay the bills and put back into the GA world a dam good aircraft. 

I think if a group could be formed with people that are great at certain aspects of the rebuild and each does their passion well then the outcome would be better than what the factory produced at a fraction of the cost. 

The problem I keep running into is personal gain.  Everyone including myself is always looking for the next step. 

[DaV8or]

3 hours ago, Dream to fly said:

Those are the planes a group of us should save. 

I keep thinking there has to be a way to rebuild these birds cost effectively.  I don't think it can be done to get rich but it can be done to pay the bills and put back into the GA world a dam good aircraft. 

I think if a group could be formed with people that are great at certain aspects of the rebuild and each does their passion well then the outcome would be better than what the factory produced at a fraction of the cost. 

The problem I keep running into is personal gain.  Everyone including myself is always looking for the next step. 

The question is, why? Why do you want to rebuild these planes? Vintage Mooney prices have been super low now for years. They are priced this way because there is more supply than demand. Resurrecting more old Mooneys just makes it worse. I see no increase in demand any time soon myself.

We should just appreciate these old Mooneys for what they really are- an inexpensive reserve supply of affordable replacement parts to keep the active fleet active.

[INA201]

I wasn't sure these guys would be around a few years ago but it seems they have made restoring Navajos profitable

http://www.mikejonesaircraft.com/lk-considering.htm

The economics of restoring older Mooneys doesn't seem to add up overall.  This link is pretty close to fully restored.  I bet it would cost 100 plus amu to pull this off and then you have to get your money back out.  I'm not good with spreadsheets but it would be fun to at least run the numbers and see what could be done with one of these planes.  

 

[Dream to fly]

1 hour ago, DaV8or said:

The question is, why? Why do you want to rebuild these planes? Vintage Mooney prices have been super low now for years. They are priced this way because there is more supply than demand. Resurrecting more old Mooneys just makes it worse. I see no increase in demand any time soon myself.

We should just appreciate these old Mooneys for what they really are- an inexpensive reserve supply of affordable replacement parts to keep the active fleet active.

You make a valid point that is hard to challenge.  I guess I'd like to see the fleet salvaged and more people using them then letting them rot personally.  Some of these planes need to be crushed no question...  But some just need a good mechanic and a few weeks TLC and they could be up and flying. 

[MyNameIsNobody]

On 11/23/2017 at 3:05 PM, Hyett6420 said:

Hank, you know i love you dearly, BUT have you actually looked at a map of Europe and then compared it to the usa?  (Hint, europe is a damn sight bigger). You could quite easily electrify your rail network, it just takes investment and planning. Your rail network is pretty dire to be honest, for instance how many 200mph trains do you have? . 

You know what I like better about the UK than the US?  Nothing, but you don’t hear me telling how great we are and what a mess your little kingdom is every other post...Oh Ya,  you know I really do love you...but your fill in blank is shite...Talk the friggin’ hand.

[ragedracer1977]

6 hours ago, EricJ said:

I don't know if this one is actually abandoned, but I saw it yesterday at Casa Grande (KCGZ).   Faded paint, looked like a well-worn C model that had an unfortunate event.    We were discussing that it's value is probably close to zero as it sits.    Sad to see.   I don't know when this happened to it, but it wasn't there the last time I was at this airport.

 

https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=203525

[Hank]

3 hours ago, ragedracer1977 said:

https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=203525

   That would likely be the end of my flying . . . . .

[steingar]

On the whole trains in Europe thing, Europe is smaller than the US with more than twice the people.  Larger population density, shorter distances, just like the US East coast.  Trains work.  They don't in the US because everywhere off the coasts are more sparsely populated with larger distances.

I truly hate to see any abandoned aircraft.  They are amazing things, built by hand from the highest technology to ever exist.  They deserve better than to be abandoned to the elements.

[Frank B.]

On 3/4/2018 at 11:31 AM, carusoam said:

Last flight 12/28...? FA says their last FA recorded flight was ‘near’ Kingman to ‘near’ Chandler....

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N5593Q

-a-

http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2017/12/incident-occurred-december-28-2017-at.html