Portable ADS-B Solutions -- Moment of Truth!

[flyboy0681]

You can get all the destination airport WX on the ground or in the air via XM\WX in plain English text. In addition you get the FBOs frequencies, operating hours and services.

 

José 

 

I like your new avatar José. But why is your passenger all bundled up?

[Marauder]

Yikes!

Eventually went red and the guy flew under me. Never saw him...

[Bob_Belville]

I've seen that screen popup! Gets your wife's attention. 

[Piloto]

I like your new avatar José. But why is your passenger all bundled up?

 

The girl on the back is my wife. We just left from KBCB in January were temps were in the 20s. I guess she was still feeling cold and wanted to convey the feeling. Back seats in the Mooney get much colder than front seats during winter. She also carry a blanket.

 

José  

[aaronk25]

Finally got my power receptacle installed and am real happy with the results. So now I can just leave my ADS-B out box plugged in all the time and it is powered up when I turn on the master switch.

Hey my exact same set up will be here today and I was wondering what you mx did to get power up to the hat rack? Did he have to re run power all the way from the breaker panel or was there power back there that could be tapped into?

Thanks,

Aaron

[jlunseth]

Quick update. I have been flying with the GDL-39 for a few months now. Really like the weather updates, really wish traffic was a bit more robust.

 

Question for you ADS-Bers... One of the most frustrating things I never liked about flying is the aggravation of trying to pick up the ATIS/AWOS early enough inbound. Do you think they will ever upload the full ATIS/AWOS information in text format and make it available like the METARs and TAFs?

 

Not an ADS-B answer, but you can pick up the TAF's and METAR's for any airport with SatWX.  I pull mine up on the airport screen on my 430. Really helps, and in particular it really helps with weather planning when the airport of intended landing may have less than desirable weather.  On a couple of occasions I have slowed way down to let Tstorms clear, or sped up to beat some weather coming in. 

[Marauder]

Not an ADS-B answer, but you can pick up the TAF's and METAR's for any airport with SatWX.  I pull mine up on the airport screen on my 430. Really helps, and in particular it really helps with weather planning when the airport of intended landing may have less than desirable weather.  On a couple of occasions I have slowed way down to let Tstorms clear, or sped up to beat some weather coming in. 

 

What hardware is required to make that happen?

[TWinter]

Had a chance to use the SkyGuard ADS-B this afternoon. Just some local slow flight, but there were three targets showing up at one point. Obviously all commercial and well above me, but it was pretty cool seeing them displayed. The SG on the WingPro app really works well. I only had about 45 minutes to play, but so far so good. I was hoping to compare the XM weather to the SkyGuard weather since I am still paying for the XM weather I was able to run both today. There were some T-storms heading in tonight from the west. The XM showed it very well..The SG weather was not so obvious on the storms, but I'm still learning the bells and whistles with the Wings app and SG.

[bnicolette]

Hey my exact same set up will be here today and I was wondering what you mx did to get power up to the hat rack? Did he have to re run power all the way from the breaker panel or was there power back there that could be tapped into?

Thanks,

Aaron

 

Aaron,

He came straight off of the battery master relay with an inline fuse.

[Marauder]

Garmin Pilot users... New update that now includes SVT! Says something about the new version of antennae. Better not mean I need it! Sent using Tapatalk

[carusoam]

Time to carry two iPads???

-a-

[Marauder]

I got to play with it for a few minutes today.Without the latest version of the GDL-39 (R version), it just shows the HSI, no AI is displayed.

[AmigOne]

Is there any way to make XM weather information show up in your iPad or any other tablet?

[Marauder]

Is there any way to make XM weather information show up in your iPad or any other tablet?

On Garmin Pilot, you can get weather through a Baron device.

[aaronk25]

#1 on the skyguard twx transmitter and fore flight very impressed with traffic picture!!!!

[wishboneash]

The ADS-B out probably saved me today from a possible mid-air. I was on an IFR flight plan into Half Moon Bay, CA airport and on the GPS Z RWY 30 approach between WOHLI and the rwy threshold. I got an annunciation (voice & flashing display on the GTN-650) of an aircraft a mile away and at 12 'o clock on my descent to the MDA (I was probably around 1500-2000 ft MSL then). Apparently ATC had lost radar coverage and didn't say anything. Since it was VMC, I deviated 10 deg to the right. A few seconds later, I saw a Cessna 152/172 pass on my left about 500-1000 ft away. I told ATC I had avoided an aircraft and at that time they told me I was not in radar coverage. Since the field was coming out of IMC, there weren't any aircraft in the pattern. With the wind blowing over 10kts from 330, I was surprised that an aircraft would be flying out on the opposite runway heading (120) right at arriving traffic inbound for rwy 30. I was prepared to do an overhead approach to enter the pattern but it turned out it wasn't necessary. I am glad with the GDL-88 driving the GTN-650, I get pertinent visual and audio traffic alerts and don't have to depend on an iPad or similar which doesn't really do anything unless one is actively monitoring the traffic.

[MB65E]

Wait a second... ATC is can't see the same thing you can on your box? I thought that was the whole idea of ADSB! Glad it worked out. Do you think the Mode S TIS service would have pingged the traffic or was it a function of the GDL88? Ours TIS out of service on the 330 now. (Bent pin on the 530 I think). Anyone upgrade a 330 to a 330es for the ADSB? I do not have the GDL88.

[DaV8or]

Wait a second... ATC is can't see the same thing you can on your box? I thought that was the whole idea of ADSB! Glad it worked out. Do you think the Mode S TIS service would have pingged the traffic or was it a function of the GDL88? Ours TIS out of service on the 330 now. (Bent pin on the 530 I think). Anyone upgrade a 330 to a 330es for the ADSB? I do not have the GDL88.

The GDL 88 is more than just an ADS-B system. It is a TAS system, so it is actively interrogating near by transponders just like the airlines TCAS system does. This is why his system was able to see the traffic and ATC could not. The GDL 88 is far superior any iPad ap, or ADS-B system.

[wishboneash]

DaV8or, I don't agree with you (even though I would like to believe what you said!). Non ADS-B out aircraft, but with Mode C/S will be detected by my GDL-88 if and only if that aircraft is in ATC radar coverage and my aircraft is in ADS-B ground station coverage.

 

It's a good point that MB65E brings up. There could be several possibilities and I am making WAGs here!

(1) ADS-B is a different system from the primary/secondary radar and if not fully integrated into his display he might not have seen this separation issue (unlikely). (2) He might have been busy - lots of jets going in and out of SFO (likely) (3) Since the other plane was also fairly low, he might have not had it on his radar for very long to have noticed it (also quite likely). (4) The other plane also had an UAT or 1090 ADS-B out (plausible, but unlikely given it was a C152/C172). (5) He figured it was VMC and so it becomes pilot's responsibility to see and avoid (see - 2).

 

In any case, it worked out. I would not have been happy with the Skyguard solution (no direct display on the GPS) since I am sure I would have missed the warning, if I got one, to alert me the way this one did! The way I understand it is that, the GDL-88 triggers the ground receivers (encoding and rebroadcasting my mode C txpdr info plus other info like position etc). The ADS-B signal is received by the GDL-88 and GDL-39 and displayed on various devices in the cockpit. If the other aircraft only had ADS-B in, but not seeing the ADS-B ground receivers, I don't believe my ADS-B out would have helped either party.

[TWinter]

I was wondering the same? How the GDL88 would have picked up the traffic figuring it was a 152/172 and likelihood of it probably not having ADS-B in or out. I'm still learning and experimenting with the ADS-B concept. Ground stations, air to air, parasitic..Lots to know to REALLY understand all of it in my opinion.  

 

I'm probably overly redundant, but I'm using the Skyguard/WingsX on a IPad along side a 696 connected to Zaon XRX for local transponder traffic, XM weather and XM radio. Gotta fly to my 70s tunes, makes me fly better  .  Call me over cautious, but until it's all sorted and everyone's on the same page I want to know where everybody is. Getting crowed in the cabin with all this paraphernalia, it's a good thing I fly alone most of the time. I should pretty well have it covered though.

[FlyDave]

Here is a link to a current map of ADS-B ground stations (I'm not sure who "bruceair" is or how they got this map as of March 2014). It looks like there should be coverage across most of the US now:

 

http://bruceair.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/ads-b-map-march2014.png

[Bob_Belville]

Here is a link to a current map of ADS-B ground stations (I'm not sure who "bruceair" is or how they got this map as of March 2014). It looks like there should be coverage across most of the US now:

 

http://bruceair.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/ads-b-map-march2014.png

I flew from Kerrville to NC @ 9000' yesterday. I have GDL88 displayed on a GTN750. There was a moment over MS/AL when it seemed the NEXRAD was slow updating. Your map seems to verify coverage is thinner in that area than on the east coast. (While my certified set up cost me more initially, I have no cockpit clutter. I make sure I have a scrap of paper and a pen for clearances but nothing on my lap or yokes. I have Jazz coming in through XM on the 696 which is pretty nice on long flights. If you have XM on a car or other device adding it to the plane is cheap.)

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N943RW/history/20140414/1354Z/KERV/KJVW 

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N943RW/history/20140414/1711Z/KJVW/KMRN

 

BTW, I confirmed again what I already knew, the stormscope is more important than NEXRAD when flying in this kind of weather. I was in the soup for a total of almost 1 hour in multicolored NEXRAD zones but I would never go IMC into anything with SS returns. 

[JohnB]

Hey Bob! I also had a nice soup departure from Kerville. But I had an interesting ADSB save on my flight to Kerville. I was flying VMC on an ifr flight plan between BLH and GBN on V94 when about 10 miles west of vicko (intersection defined by GBN) my 430 gave me a message GPS Signal unusable, Dead reckoning, use alternate source of navigation. So I switched to vor navigation to stay on course. Problem was, that the vor station GBN was known to be out of service, so I couldn't use vor navigation to get there after the intersection. But, my stratus and adsb position was working just fine on my iPad. Told atc, flew the course to GBN as defined on my iPad, and then when gps reception came back up around 20 minutes later, I was exactly on course to GBN.

(As a commentary, this is why I advocate for keeping vor and Dme stations and equipment up and running on the ground and in my airplane, as even though GPS is great and easy, you never know when it might fail, and having an alternate source of navigation would be needed, especially if you're in the soup!)

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[carusoam]

Are you expecting a Garmin antenna problem to be your source of the 20 min. Outage?

Nice to have alternatives...

Best regards,

-a-

[JohnB]

Are you expecting a Garmin antenna problem to be your source of the 20 min. Outage?

Nice to have alternatives...

Best regards,

-a-

I don't think it was an antenna problem as it was so localized and singular, but ill have it checked. There was one GPS satellite in the area which was known to be out, so Im not actually sure what caused it, and it may have been external to me, but I was pleased that I had a fully working DME and 2 vor receivers!