Dynon autopilot approval!

[Schllc]

  On 10/5/2024 at 9:12 AM, ArtVandelay said:

The Garmin salesman was confused. I PAID 30 for G3X, AV20S and 3 servo GFC500 which included redoing the entire panel including circuit breakers, switches, etc.
This was a couple of years ago so it would be higher now. But these offhand quotes are useless, so are estimates posted on the internet. You need to have a dealer look at your plane and panel and give you a written estimate, for either D or G.
Talk is cheap (or expensive), get a written estimate, that’s the only way you will know.
 

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The sales people I am talking to are not confused. They are avionic shops providing me quotes.
What shop did you use?  I would like to get a quote from them. 

[ArtVandelay]

  On 10/5/2024 at 1:24 PM, Schllc said:

The sales people I am talking to are not confused. They are avionic shops providing me quotes.
What shop did you use?  I would like to get a quote from them. 

Treasure Coast Avionics at Fort Pierce, FL.

Florida doesn’t charge sales tax for aviation equipment and labor. So when considering quotes across states it’s something to consider.

[toto]

  On 10/5/2024 at 12:10 PM, 67 m20F chump said:

I’m sure this is a dumb question but will a garmin G5 drive this autopilot?  IE do you have to put in everything Dynon to use this autopilot?

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I suspect you would need a GAD29, but I’m far from an expert. 

https://www.garmin.com/en-US/p/136954/pn/010-01172-21

[bigmo]

  On 10/4/2024 at 10:40 PM, ArtVandelay said:

No way, not unless Garmin drastically increase their prices lately, I only paid about 18k for 3 servo GFC500 and G3X a few years ago.

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Prices have most definitely gone up dramatically since your install. When doing comparisons, I’ve found that Lafayette is a good baseline as most avionics shops won’t try to compete with their prices. Right now, for just the GFC500 and a single G5 (AI) is $27k and change. With pitch trim it’s $32k. These don’t include yaw either (that’s yet another $5k).

 There’s a year+ wait at these prices.

 

 

[M20E for me]

I would like to think the F and G are not far behind.  I have dual Skyview 10” displays in my RV8 with a two axis auto pilot and love it.  I’m going to do the same in my E but have been waiting for the autopilot certification.  

[TNIndy]

The F was submitted as part of this approval but there were too many differences and it didn’t make the cut. Not sure if the G was submitted but I would assume it was. I prewired my F when I did the Dynon install and precut my panel for the AP. Have to start over and choose another AP now. 
I asked if they had any plans to go back and add the F. They don’t 

[Schllc]

  On 10/5/2024 at 1:32 PM, ArtVandelay said:

Treasure Coast Avionics at Fort Pierce, FL.

Florida doesn’t charge sales tax for aviation equipment and labor. So when considering quotes across states it’s something to consider.

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Both of my quotes are in Florida. A little closer to me than treasure coast but I know of them. 

[Will.iam]

Ironically even though the A/P is certified for the M20K nowhere can i find in any of their literature a probe or wiring harness for the TIT probe or what the extra price would be. Guess it’s time to call dynon. 

[Pinecone]

  On 10/4/2024 at 10:46 PM, Schllc said:

I was not talking about the price of a garmin AP.  
I was referring to the price calculator Dynon provided. 
The two screens, backup attitude, AP, transponder with adsb in/out and audio panel are around 25k with all the accessories needed for install. Just add your gps. 
 

I suggested that a full panel for a little more than on txi screen from Garmin would put pressure on Garmin to reduce their prices. 

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TXi is a LOT more expensive than the G3X.

[Schllc]

  On 10/5/2024 at 9:02 PM, Pinecone said:

TXi is a LOT more expensive than the G3X.

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I am aware of that, but I’m not sure why you are telling me this?

Txi, or G3x, both are significantly more than the dynon systems, which was my point. 
Both avionics shops told me that the install price for the two is the same, and they said the resolution and function of the txi is better. I have never used the G3 so I can’t speak to that, but the txi’s are pretty nice. 

[Pinecone]

Just pointing out that you were comparing a display that is half again as much as the one that many people are putting into Garmin panels.

Current price G500TXi 10" = $17,305,  G3X - $11,895

[hubcap]

  On 10/5/2024 at 9:16 PM, Pinecone said:

Just pointing out that you were comparing a display that is half again as much as the one that many people are putting into Garmin panels.

Current price G500TXi 10" = $17,305,  G3X - $11,895

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Does the G500TXi have any airborne functionality the G3x lacks? Other than the ability to interface easily with other brands of equipment?

[Schllc]

  On 10/5/2024 at 9:16 PM, Pinecone said:

Just pointing out that you were comparing a display that is half again as much as the one that many people are putting into Garmin panels.

Current price G500TXi 10" = $17,305,  G3X - $11,895

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I was not, I was comparing garmin in general to dynon. 
I never mentioned anything about garmin displays, only that the total dynon system with everything but the gps is only approx 25k

[Hank]

  On 10/5/2024 at 9:23 PM, Schllc said:

I was not, I was comparing garmin in general to dynon. 
I never mentioned anything about garmin displays, only that the total dynon system with everything but the gps is only approx 25k

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And that is much friendlier.to.those of us with installed GPS than going all glass, all Garmin and keeping the installed GPS. 

If only the Dynon AP included vintage Mooneys!! 

[1980Mooney]

  On 10/4/2024 at 5:52 PM, M20F said:

I have a friend who went full in on Dynon in their Seneca.  I don’t like it and it takes a 3rd party GPS to drive it.  In fairness though I don’t like most things.  I do like my G5 though. 

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Can you elaborate?  

[jamesyql]

Re: Pitch trim

My understanding is dynon would require a legacy pitch trim whereas garmin has a native and modern pitch trim. Correct me if I am wrong, but that seems like an advantage for garmin if trying to modernize the autopilot system. Thoughts?

[Lax291]

https://www.flyingmag.com/aircraft/dynon-autopilot-certified-for-mooney-m20j-k/

[ArtVandelay]

  On 10/6/2024 at 1:16 AM, jamesyql said:

Re: Pitch trim
My understanding is dynon would require a legacy pitch trim whereas garmin has a native and modern pitch trim. Correct me if I am wrong, but that seems like an advantage for garmin if trying to modernize the autopilot system. Thoughts?

Yes..
“*** Trim control features including Autopilot Auto-Trim require the installation of the SV-AP-TRIMAMP and SV-AP-PANEL. The aircraft must also have an electric trim system installed via original equipment, an existing STC, or other certification means. “

Also the Garmin servos are lighter, so if you’re looking to gain useful load it’s a better choice. See weights below (16.8lbs), Garmin installed is about half of that.

[ArtVandelay]

  On 10/6/2024 at 2:52 AM, Lax291 said:

https://www.flyingmag.com/aircraft/dynon-autopilot-certified-for-mooney-m20j-k/

I don’t know where they got the pricing numbers, here’s the breakdown, with trim it’s $12k.

[Lax291]

  On 10/6/2024 at 6:49 AM, ArtVandelay said:

I don’t know where they got the pricing numbers, here’s the breakdown, with trim it’s $12k.

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The STC alone is another ~$2,700 on top of what you configured. 

[ArtVandelay]

  On 10/6/2024 at 6:49 AM, ArtVandelay said:

I don’t know where they got the pricing numbers, here’s the breakdown, with trim it’s $12k.

I was looking at the wrong page , this is the Mooney J/K, and I included the panel and the required STC:

[Fly Boomer]

  On 10/6/2024 at 1:16 AM, jamesyql said:

advantage for garmin if trying to modernize the autopilot system

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Pretty sure King autopilots had auto-trim several decades ago.

[M20F]

  On 10/5/2024 at 10:01 PM, 1980Mooney said:

Can you elaborate?  

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I find the UI to be unintuitive, clunky, etc.  It is not as polished as Garmin or Avidyne. 

[Yetti]

  On 10/5/2024 at 8:21 PM, Will.iam said:

Ironically even though the A/P is certified for the M20K nowhere can i find in any of their literature a probe or wiring harness for the TIT probe or what the extra price would be. Guess it’s time to call dynon. 

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There are two extra inputs for thermocouple you can just use those.   Then add them to the engine monitor screen.  Part of the EMS.   Probably can use existing wiring.   I used an $8 thermocouple to monitor the temperature behind the panel.

Edited October 6, 2024 by Yetti

[Yetti]

  On 10/6/2024 at 2:25 PM, Fly Boomer said:

Pretty sure King autopilots had auto-trim several decades ago.

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Like everything you need a little time behind them to make it flow well.    I was pretty upset at Ford for changing the buttons on the steering wheel between a 2020 and a 2024.   It's like they got a Microsoft UI guy and changed it for the next version.   I am still mad about MS changing the color of Exchange.  it was yellow and then they went to blue.  Blue it the wrong color since they already used it for Word.    I select icons based on color not shapes or words.   It's faster.