Mooneyspace Loan-a-Tool Program

[RoundTwo]

The motorcycle forum I used to visit had a great tool loan “program” for those once in a blue moon tools like drivetrain alignment tools. Something like that would be very helpful to me right now.

I need to crimp some of the TE solid barrel contacts and can’t get over the $800 price for the TE 58541-1 crimper. Does anyone have a pair they’d be willing to rent? I’ll pay postage both ways and would be willing to make a donation to your gas fund.

TIA

[Sabremech]

4 minutes ago, RoundTwo said:

The motorcycle forum I used to visit had a great tool loan “program” for those once in a blue moon tools like drivetrain alignment tools. Something like that would be very helpful to me right now.

I need to crimp some of the TE solid barrel contacts and can’t get over the $800 price for the TE 58541-1 crimper. Does anyone have a pair they’d be willing to rent? I’ll pay postage both ways and would be willing to make a donation to your gas fund.

TIA

I may have the crimpers you’re looking for. Let me confirm and if I do, I’d be willing to rent them. 
Thanks,

David

[RoundTwo]

3 minutes ago, Sabremech said:

I may have the crimpers you’re looking for. Let me confirm and if I do, I’d be willing to rent them. 
Thanks,

David

That would be fantastic. Here’s a link to them on the TE site.

[toto]

2 hours ago, RoundTwo said:

The motorcycle forum I used to visit had a great tool loan “program” for those once in a blue moon tools like drivetrain alignment tools. Something like that would be very helpful to me right now.

I need to crimp some of the TE solid barrel contacts and can’t get over the $800 price for the TE 58541-1 crimper. Does anyone have a pair they’d be willing to rent? I’ll pay postage both ways and would be willing to make a donation to your gas fund.

TIA

The loan-a-tool program is a great idea. I don’t think I’ve seen this before on MS - maybe we could make this topic sticky?

 

ETA: Sheesh, sounds like people have had some negative experiences with tool lending

 

[Fly Boomer]

9 minutes ago, RoundTwo said:

That would be fantastic. Here’s a link to them on the TE site.

I think that type of crimper is fairly generic.  What is critical is the interchangeable die set.

[RoundTwo]

45 minutes ago, Fly Boomer said:

I think that type of crimper is fairly generic.  What is critical is the interchangeable die set.

Not according to TE. The only thing it crimps are the solid barrel Multimate Type II connectors used in the AMP plugs and receptacles so common in our Mooneys. Other more common connectors will fit the Series 1 housings, but Mooney uses the expensive gold plated ones that sell for $4 or $5 each. 

[EricJ]

11 minutes ago, RoundTwo said:

Not according to TE. The only thing it crimps are the solid barrel Multimate Type II connectors used in the AMP plugs and receptacles so common in our Mooneys. Other more common connectors will fit the Series 1 housings, but Mooney uses the expensive gold plated ones that sell for $4 or $5 each. 

That doesn't mean there aren't other crimpers that will do it.    Type "Multimate Type II crimper" into your favorite search engine and you get a lot of options that may or may not be suitable.   I have a couple ratcheting crimper sets that have an array of interchangeable jaws.   They cover most everything.    Like this:

https://www.amazon.com/HKS-Ratcheting-Crimping-Tool-Non-Insulated/dp/B095LF1ZSV

[Fly Boomer]

19 minutes ago, RoundTwo said:

Not according to TE. The only thing it crimps are the solid barrel Multimate Type II connectors used in the AMP plugs and receptacles so common in our Mooneys. Other more common connectors will fit the Series 1 housings, but Mooney uses the expensive gold plated ones that sell for $4 or $5 each. 

I stand corrected.

[N201MKTurbo]

I loaned my nose gear tool to a MooneySpacer once and it took 8 years to get it back.

[Jerry 5TJ]

I loaned out my Mooney jacks about 5 years ago and I think I know where they are — they get used all over the airport.  

[Aerodon]

Just now, Jerry 5TJ said:

I loaned out my Mooney jacks about 5 years ago and I think I know where they are — they get used all over the airport.  

I loaned my new jacks to someone and they didn't see a problem with modifying the tops to fit different adaptors.  Ant they were using vice grips on the shaft instead of the safety collar.

 

Aerodon

[RoundTwo]

3 minutes ago, N201MKTurbo said:

I loaned my nose gear tool to a MooneySpacer once and it took 8 years to get it back.

I once dated a girl that lied and cheated on me. 

[Aerodon]

There are two types of pins/sockets that you can use in the AMP / TE Connectivity / CPC connectors used all over in the Mooney.

There are the stamped pins and sockets with 'ears' that fold around and into the wire and insulation.  Less expensive.  I use these for less critical applications.  

Mooney used the more expensive 'machined' pins and sockets, these are gold plated, fit really nicely (more repeatable better crimp) and are rated to 15A.  You need an AF8 crimper along with the positioner shown below.  The picture below shows the TH99 positioner and all the pins/sockets that Mooney uses (201328,201330,200333,200333).  You also need a pin remover.

@roundtwo posted the correct dies for the AMP Pro Crimper for machined pins and sockets.  Another set of dies is available for the stamped pins and sockets.

These machined contacts and associated tools are really nice to use.  There are about 100 CPC connectors on the Mooney drawing, with about 20 pins each, at about $3-4 each.  So there's $8000 worth of pins in a Mooney!  I see why they did this all over the place, but do you really need an expensive connector on a glare shield light, or a 'removable ignition key switch'.  And about 4 joints in a wire bundle going to the rear of the plane.

I have a large stock of stamped and machined contacts - I can sell in small / mixed quantities at reasonable prices.

Aerodon

 

<<edited:  my earlier statement about the incorrect crimper part number was incorrect>>

 

Edited April 15, 2023 by Aerodon

[N201MKTurbo]

I've crimped those with an 8 pin crimper. It worked great, but the pin holder wasn't right, so you had to hold the pin in place when you crimped it. A little tedious, but no big deal for doing a few.

[Aerodon]

1 hour ago, Fly Boomer said:

I think that type of crimper is fairly generic.  What is critical is the interchangeable die set.

I have more than a dozen of the 'Pro Amp II' crimpers with different dies.  Mostly accumulated from eBay purchases, usually for less than the cost of the dies.  Look for ones that do not show signs of heavy use, engraved inventory numbers etc.

The really useful ones:

1) AMP PIDG splicers

2) Mate 'n Lok - the rectangular white plastic connectors

3) Multimate  - black round CPC conenctors

Other really useful crimpers:

4) GMT232 - these are for enviro-splices - nicest way to join wires in the aircraft environment.

5) Molex - 0638190000  for the Micro Fit 3.00mm - these are the connectors that Garmin and mid continent use for the USB power ports and Digital clocks etc.  They are also excellent for joining 22/24Ga wires on thinks like panel lights.  Nice solid 'click' and latch.   Gold plated pins available for 18-26 Ga

 

Aerodon

 

 

[Aerodon]

23 minutes ago, N201MKTurbo said:

I've crimped those with an 8 pin crimper. It worked great, but the pin holder wasn't right, so you had to hold the pin in place when you crimped it. A little tedious, but no big deal for doing a few.

Yes, you can manually hold the pin in place.  The other thing the positioner does is tell you the correct setting for the AF8 (8 point) crimper for the wire size.

[N201MKTurbo]

35 minutes ago, Aerodon said:

Yes, you can manually hold the pin in place.  The other thing the positioner does is tell you the correct setting for the AF8 (8 point) crimper for the wire size.

I know, they are wonderful tools if you have them.

[RoundTwo]

2 minutes ago, N201MKTurbo said:

I know, they are wonderful tools if you have them.

When I rebuilt my motorcycle, I thought paying $180 for the Deutsch crimp was pricey. I don’t understand how they can sell a set of dies for $300-$400 dollars, but you’re stuck without them.

[Guest]

21 hours ago, N201MKTurbo said:

I loaned my nose gear tool to a MooneySpacer once and it took 8 years to get it back.

You must not have included operating instructions, hence the delay in returning the tool.

[N201MKTurbo]

1 hour ago, M20Doc said:

You must not have included operating instructions, hence the delay in returning the tool.

No he was in the army and got sent to Afghanistan and then moved to another city and took it with him. That being said there were plenty of opportunities to ship it back. 

[201Steve]

There’s a reason Matco is able to sell such expensive break-in proof tool boxes and each mechanic owns his tools individually. 
 

it’s beyond me, but even loaning tools to a neighbor is a risk. I always give a speech when lending that iterates up front that I expect them to hand deliver it back to its’ home as soon as your done, I will be pissed if I have to inquire in the slightest about where my stuff is. 

[DonMuncy]

3 hours ago, M20Doc said:

You must not have included operating instructions, hence the delay in returning the tool.

I have been dealing with the MS crowd for a long time, and have found almost all to be responsible. It is terrible you ran across on of the very few who was not.

[MooneyMitch]

2 hours ago, N201MKTurbo said:

No he was in the army and got sent to Afghanistan and then moved to another city and took it with him. That being said there were plenty of opportunities to ship it back. 

Oh!  That was you? 

[LANCECASPER]

4 hours ago, N201MKTurbo said:

No he was in the army and got sent to Afghanistan and then moved to another city and took it with him. That being said there were plenty of opportunities to ship it back. 

I think he did end up shipping it . .  . to the new buyer on Ebay  . . lol   j/k

[N201MKTurbo]

11 minutes ago, LANCECASPER said:

I think he did end up shipping it . .  . to the new buyer on Ebay  . . lol   j/k

I have it back now. Except I loaned them to another MooneySpacer. I have a professional relationship with this one and I know where to find him. Plus he is very well known in the aviation community. I’m certain will get them back.