Aspen or g5(s)

[tigers2007]

How hard is it to shove the old steam AI into into the passenger side panel?


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[Marauder]

20 minutes ago, Godfather said:

Because if your pitot tube is blocked both screens go dark?

Exactly. The L-3 ESI-500 does meet this criteria and my plane is in the shop having one installed. When I heard about the G5 I looked into it quickly. I figured if it could act as a primary why then not as a backup. Trek's response cleared that up (As well as Jim's response). I would love to stick a $2,000 solution instead of a $6,000 one but that is the way the current world works.

[Marauder]

Just now, tigers2007 said:

How hard is it to shove the old steam AI into into the passenger side panel?


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Not hard if you have the space. I could have easily stuck mine over there. I just wanted to stop relying on a vacuum pump as a my backup. Ironically, I never had any qualms about flying with it as my primary. But then again, I practiced partial panel a lot. Still do. Push the REV button on the Aspen.

[Marauder]

13 minutes ago, Godfather said:

I've talked to Jim in person many times and have a lot of his equipment in my plane. 

The Garmin has the same mode of degraded (no red x's) failure mode which is why they were able to certify it primary without needing a backup. I'm looking for something that specifically states that tenge garmin unit can't be used. 

The selling point to the FAA on the G5 and any of these electronic replacements for a mechanical AI had all to do with the increased reliability of the electronic versions over their mechanical counterparts. The MTBF of an electronic unit is light years ahead of their mechanical equivalents. The FAA knows these mechanical systems, designed in the early days of IFR flying, had better alternatives with the modern electronics available. I applaud them for taking the position they did on them.

[Godfather]

10 minutes ago, tigers2007 said:

How hard is it to shove the old steam AI into into the passenger side panel?


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Probably would not be legal because of the distance from pilot...although with the g1000...

[tigers2007]

Well it seems that the tech leap has been moving quickly lately (D10, G5, G5 w/HSI, TruTrak STC, etc). Maybe the cries for degraded mode will arrive this summer.


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[Godfather]

2 minutes ago, tigers2007 said:

Well it seems that the tech leap has been moving quickly lately (D10, G5, G5 w/HSI, TruTrak STC, etc). Maybe the cries for degraded mode will arrive this summer.


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It already has the degraded mode which is how they certified it and use it as a backup on the g3x panels. 

Edit: I think the real issue is it is not tso'd just stc to be primary but then they are saying its not tso'd in the degraded mode...no kidding because it's not tso'd at all...it's stc'd for primary.

 

Edited April 7, 2017 by Godfather

[gsengle]

How hard is it to shove the old steam AI into into the passenger side panel?


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No thank you. The solution I'm looking for gets rid of the vacuum system and costly periodic ki256 overhauls. Still waiting...


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[tigers2007]

What does all of this mean for Joe Owner who is an IR PP? I thought that meeting TSO is not a requirement for the GA pilot but more of a quality assurance aka peace of mind. I must be missing something then.
To have a compliant Aspen installation it requires a backup AI? Does this apply to the VFR PFD too? Well by the time i get around installing mine either: G5 will be allowed to be used as a backup, G5 will provide an autopilot heading bug, or Aspen wont need a backup.


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[gsengle]

I wouldn't count on any one of those or even all three... Aspen hasn't changed in this regard in ten years.


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[RobertGary1]

6 hours ago, tigers2007 said:

What does all of this mean for Joe Owner who is an IR PP? I thought that meeting TSO is not a requirement for the GA pilot but more of a quality assurance aka peace of mind. I must be missing something then.

TSO is one method of being approved for install. It means it meets some standard the faa sets. It still needs to be produced by a PMA's manufacturer. An STC is another method of approval. TSO is mostly for avionics. No STC normally required is TSO 

-Robert

[salty]

With much cajoling from the peanut gallery with me (Ryoder), I bought a G5 at Sun-n-Fun today. Ryoder kicked in for part of it just because he's dying to see one in his old plane (I bought 79396 from him and still let him fly it whenever he wants), so I bowed to the pressure and pulled the trigger.

Edited April 8, 2017 by salty

[gsxrpilot]

Were you able to take it home, or did you have to order it? I'm still waiting for one.

[salty]

36 minutes ago, gsxrpilot said:

Were you able to take it home, or did you have to order it? I'm still waiting for one.

 

[salty]

My A&p will know this, but I'm curious if it's legal to configure this in knots if the manual publishes mph for my model. It just occurs to me that it's not primary for airspeed, so I can probably do it however i want. 

[gsxrpilot]

SWEET! Guess I should have gone to Florida to get one as well.

[Marauder]

My A&p will know this, but I'm curious if it's legal to configure this in knots if the manual publishes mph for my model. It just occurs to me that it's not primary for airspeed, so I can probably do it however i want. 

Not being primary, you should be able to configure it as you want. If is primary, your POH will dictate what it needs to be in. My 1975 F is in both knots and MPH. I chose to have my airspeed indicator converted to knots on the outer ring and MPH on the inner (opposite of how the original ASI was configured).


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