does anyone know who made this rudder trim?

[peevee]

We have one, I'm curious who made it, where it came from etc.

I lucked across it googling rudder trim, so maybe it's a really common part?

http://motoplaneparts.com/listing.php?pid=96376

[mooniac15u]

http://www.aerotriminc.com/id2.html

 

[MooneyMitch]

You are correct.   Norm Smith was our MooneyMiser.   Norm was an active MAPA LOG contributor.   Norm was always creating some gadget for our airplanes.   

One of his products was Aeroseal, which was used to seal leaking tanks from the outside rather than internal patching.  The process was to create a small vacuum inside the tank, then apply Aeroseal from the outside, sucking the product into the leak and sealing.

I have a ton of old MAPA LOGs in which Norm provided gadget articles and monthly adds for his Aeroseal.

 Seeing Norm's name appear here and folks asking about him is making me feel vintage myself.  Probably because I am getting to be vintage!!!

I'll gather a couple of LOGs today, take a couple of photos and post later today. 

Norm was quite a character!

[peevee]

Dang that was easy, thanks 

[Marauder]

You are correct.   Norm Smith was our MooneyMiser.   Norm was an active MAPA LOG contributor.   Norm was always creating some gadget for our airplanes.   
One of his products was Aeroseal, which was used to seal leaking tanks from the outside rather than internal patching.  The process was to create a small vacuum inside the tank, then apply Aeroseal from the outside, sucking the product into the leak and sealing.
I have a ton of old MAPA LOGs in which Norm provided gadget articles and monthly adds for his Aeroseal.
 Seeing Norm's name appear here and folks asking about him is making me feel vintage myself.  Probably because I am getting to be vintage!!!
I'll gather a couple of LOGs today, take a couple of photos and post later today. 
Norm was quite a character!

He was something.


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[peevee]

1 hour ago, mooniac15u said:

http://www.aerotriminc.com/id2.html

 

Wonder if they do repairs or if we just have to buy a new kit. 

[peevee]

50 minutes ago, MooneyMitch said:

You are correct.   Norm Smith was our MooneyMiser.   Norm was an active MAPA LOG contributor.   Norm was always creating some gadget for our airplanes.   

One of his products was Aeroseal, which was used to seal leaking tanks from the outside rather than internal patching.  The process was to create a small vacuum inside the tank, then apply Aeroseal from the outside, sucking the product into the leak and sealing.

I have a ton of old MAPA LOGs in which Norm provided gadget articles and monthly adds for his Aeroseal.

 Seeing Norm's name appear here and folks asking about him is making me feel vintage myself.  Probably because I am getting to be vintage!!!

I'll gather a couple of LOGs today, take a couple of photos and post later today. 

Norm was quite a character!

Looks like they still sell aeroseal, anyone still use it? 

[mooniac15u]

Just now, peevee said:

Wonder if they do repairs or if we just have to buy a new kit. 

They might want you to buy the kit in order to get the STC.

[peevee]

2 minutes ago, mooniac15u said:

They might want you to buy the kit in order to get the STC.

Already have the STC. Ours is a little flaky. I'm betting the little motor they use is giving up the ghost. 

[MooneyMitch]

I did apply Aeroseal years ago on my F model.  It did seal my small leaks.  Longevity?  Unknown as I liquidated the plane a couple of years later.

Incidentally, you can see my former F Mooney in Hartzell's Top Prop ad for older M20s. Fun!  Brings back some very great memories and thrills! 

Here's the Hartzell photo from their ad.

[peevee]

interesting that there aren't more people trying it. I'm tempted.

[MooneyMitch]

My opinion, and certainly not to offend the late, great, funny, and oh so "thrifty" MooneyMiser, or his family, but I believe the Aeroseal is a bandaid.  It was created for very, very  minor seeps.  Norm himself, repeatedly professed this. 

Precise vacuum and application is required for success. 

[mooniac15u]

1 hour ago, peevee said:

Already have the STC. Ours is a little flaky. I'm betting the little motor they use is giving up the ghost. 

Sorry, I missed that part of your original post.  That motor looks like a pretty standard little DC motor.  You might be able to replace it yourself.

[Marauder]

interesting that there aren't more people trying it. I'm tempted.

Lots of new owners don't know about it. Phil is no longer in this earth to pitch it.


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[peevee]

7 minutes ago, mooniac15u said:

Sorry, I missed that part of your original post.  That motor looks like a pretty standard little DC motor.  You might be able to replace it yourself.

It does, like out of a toy car. 

Problem is the stupid thing is riveted on so it's hard to just take it off and sneak a peak, since the plane will be down it might be faster just to send it in 

[LANCECASPER]

might be able to get a cheap new one if no one else bids

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Aero-Trim-Aileron-Rudder-Trim-Control-MSRP-899-FAA-PMA-Cessna-Piper-Mooney-/282343085377?hash=item41bcf59541:g:w3cAAOSw5cNYhSiE&vxp=mtr

[MooneyMitch]

Norm Smith, the Mooney Miser contributed heavily for many years to the MAPA LOG, prior to his demise.

I've attached one photo of Norm's ads as it appeared in the LOG in 2001.  Another photo is of one of his articles published in a 1992 LOG. 

[Raptor05121]

Dang that looks really cool. One thing I will give Piper is their decision to add rudder trim to the Cherokee series. I really wish we would have gotten some sort of rudder trim

[Andy95W]

6 hours ago, Hyett6420 said:

Yes its a real bummer we dont have it, even the Ks dont have it.  Is there an stc anywhere for it, it would help take offs and go arounds a great deal i think

The Aero-trim is STC'ed as both aileron AND rudder trim for the M20B thru M20K.

http://www.aerotriminc.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/stclist.pdf

http://www.aerotriminc.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/aerotriminstructions.pdf

[carusoam]

Some of the Long Bodies got electric rudder trim.  It is subtle.  But, well appreciated.

It works pretty well on the ground.  It can steer the plane enough to follow the taxi line.

In the air, it centers the ball. Climb is different than cruise. Cruise is different than descent.  Ready for the go around is time to set the trim again...

Best regards,

-a-