Looking to get into a Mooney

[Hank]

Woo-hooo! Congrats! Keep us updated, and throw out some pictures of your new ride.

[Patto]

On 7/22/2016 at 5:44 PM, rbridges said:

stupid question, but is a normally aspirated 4 cylinder going to do well at 7200 field elevation?  Or do people just learn to fly with slower climb rates in areas like that?

So, my POH for my '74 M20C only shows take off performance for altitudes up to 5000'.  My CFI told me that this means you cannot take off (legally) from an airport above 5000'.   Do your POH's show higher elevations in the performance charts?

[Rwsavory]

3 minutes ago, Patto said:

So, my POH for my '74 M20C only shows take off performance for altitudes up to 5000'.  My CFI told me that this means you cannot take off (legally) from an airport above 5000'.   Do your POH's show higher elevations in the performance charts?

I don't think the lack of performance data in the POH restricts Part 91 operations.  Your CFI is probably thinking about commercial flights, Part 135 for example. 

[klystron]

Also, if anyone has an electronic copy of the early M20C owner's manual and could email me I would love to start looking that over.

 

[MCDsiena]

There is one in the download section of this site. 

[Hank]

1 hour ago, klystron said:

Also, if anyone has an electronic copy of the early M20C owner's manual and could email me I would love to start looking that over.

 

It's too large to email (> 10MB). There's at least two in the Downloads section of the homepage; mine is there representing the electric gear models (1970 version).

[carusoam]

The restrictions of use based on available data would be really cumbersome for mid 60s planes...  The owner's pamphlet was pretty brief...

It is good to get two versions...

One that matches the year the plane was constructed for legal reasons and one that is more complete.

From a performance point of view, the most recent C POH is the best to have.  The performance of early Cs is the same as later Cs.  The documentation is just a range of non-existent to mediocre at best.

For performance comparisons (real vs POH)  a WAAS antenna connected to an iPad app works pretty well.

Best regards,

-a-

[klystron]

So looks like I am probably headed out to Willmar, MN on Thursday. I'll close Friday morning and do transition training all day Friday and Saturday. My dad is going to fly in commercially into MSP Sunday morning. Me being the terrible son that I am, will make him do 5 hours of dual time in the M20C after being up all night flying the red-eye from LAX to JFK. Monday morning he'll do 5 hours of solo and then we'll take off for New Mexico Monday afternoon. 

[Hank]

Congratulations! Hope she's all you want her to be.

Ya'll fly safe now, ya hear?

[Raptor05121]

On 8/12/2016 at 3:09 PM, klystron said:

Also, if anyone has an electronic copy of the early M20C owner's manual and could email me I would love to start looking that over.

 

 

I think there are some in the downloads section of the site. Make sure they are pre-64 as the fuel tank and range data change in 64

[klystron]

9 hours ago, Raptor05121 said:

I think there are some in the downloads section of the site. Make sure they are pre-64 as the fuel tank and range data change in 64

Yeah I found the one for the 65C. It had a supplement section for the earlier models.

[klystron]

Headed out to Willmar tomorrow. Prebuy went well. Only items of note were a hole in the muffler where the exhaust pipe exits and a worn down tire. Both of those items are being taken care of today / tomorrow. Other items included a loose rudder hinge, some slightly worn connector ends on the control pushrods and slight wear on a couple of other normal wear items. 

There were two very old items on the title but we managed to get those cleared up. 

Anyone know of a CFI with at least 600TT, 100 Retract time, and 25hrs M20 time in the Willmar or MSP area with availability this weekend? Most important day is Sunday I need to get 5 hours of dual for my dad so that we can fly the plane back to NM together.

[Marauder]

1 hour ago, klystron said:

Headed out to Willmar tomorrow. Prebuy went well. Only items of note were a hole in the muffler where the exhaust pipe exits and a worn down tire. Both of those items are being taken care of today / tomorrow. Other items included a loose rudder hinge, some slightly worn connector ends on the control pushrods and slight wear on a couple of other normal wear items. 

There were two very old items on the title but we managed to get those cleared up. 

Anyone know of a CFI with at least 600TT, 100 Retract time, and 25hrs M20 time in the Willmar or MSP area with availability this weekend? Most important day is Sunday I need to get 5 hours of dual for my dad so that we can fly the plane back to NM together.

I think Bruce Jaeger was/is an instructor. Check with the Willmar folks, they bought the business from him.

[klystron]

Just now, Marauder said:

I think Bruce Jaeger was/is an instructor. Check with the Willmar folks, they bought the business from him.

Yeah, I've talked with him and Eric Rudningen, both of them are overworked at the moment. 

 

[mike_elliott]

4 hours ago, klystron said:

Headed out to Willmar tomorrow. Prebuy went well. Only items of note were a hole in the muffler where the exhaust pipe exits and a worn down tire. Both of those items are being taken care of today / tomorrow. Other items included a loose rudder hinge, some slightly worn connector ends on the control pushrods and slight wear on a couple of other normal wear items. 

There were two very old items on the title but we managed to get those cleared up. 

Anyone know of a CFI with at least 600TT, 100 Retract time, and 25hrs M20 time in the Willmar or MSP area with availability this weekend? Most important day is Sunday I need to get 5 hours of dual for my dad so that we can fly the plane back to NM together.

Bruce Jaeger if he is still instructing. bruce AT Jaegeraviation.com He exceeds those numbers by about 20000 or so.

 

2 hours ago, Marauder said:

I think Bruce Jaeger was/is an instructor. Check with the Willmar folks, they bought the business from him.

They are no longer. Paul Beck and Eric Rudningen are trying to re-open a Mooney Service Center in Willmar, with references from Bruce, Maxwell and a few other noteables. Paul has the "right stuff" to become an excellent MSC, which is sorely needed. The Maxwell's Rouches and Lowens of the world are way overworked. I couldn't believe Don's ramp last week. Younger owners are not only needed as Mooney Pilots, but as MSC's. Got your ears on Stacy?

[Marauder]

4 hours ago, klystron said: Headed out to Willmar tomorrow. Prebuy went well. Only items of note were a hole in the muffler where the exhaust pipe exits and a worn down tire. Both of those items are being taken care of today / tomorrow. Other items included a loose rudder hinge, some slightly worn connector ends on the control pushrods and slight wear on a couple of other normal wear items. 

There were two very old items on the title but we managed to get those cleared up. 

Anyone know of a CFI with at least 600TT, 100 Retract time, and 25hrs M20 time in the Willmar or MSP area with availability this weekend? Most important day is Sunday I need to get 5 hours of dual for my dad so that we can fly the plane back to NM together.

Bruce Jaeger if he is still instructing. bruce AT Jaegeraviation.com He exceeds those numbers by about 20000 or so.

 

2 hours ago, Marauder said: I think Bruce Jaeger was/is an instructor. Check with the Willmar folks, they bought the business from him.

They are no longer. Paul Beck and Eric Rudningen are trying to re-open a Mooney Service Center in Willmar, with references from Bruce, Maxwell and a few other noteables. Paul has the "right stuff" to become an excellent MSC, which is sorely needed. The Maxwell's Rouches and Lowens of the world are way overworked. I couldn't believe Don's ramp last week. Younger owners are not only needed as Mooney Pilots, but as MSC's. Got your ears on Stacy?

Thanks for the update on Willmar. I thought Bruce had sold the MSC,to concentrate on his Spatial Designs offering. I agree that another high quality and trusted MSC is needed.

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[Bob_Belville]

3 hours ago, mike_elliott said:

Bruce Jaeger if he is still instructing. bruce AT Jaegeraviation.com He exceeds those numbers by about 20000 or so.

 

They are no longer. Paul Beck and Eric Rudningen are trying to re-open a Mooney Service Center in Willmar, with references from Bruce, Maxwell and a few other noteables. Paul has the "right stuff" to become an excellent MSC, which is sorely needed. The Maxwell's Rouches and Lowens of the world are way overworked. I couldn't believe Don's ramp last week. Younger owners are not only needed as Mooney Pilots, but as MSC's. Got your ears on Stacy?

 

Just now, Marauder said:

Thanks for the update on Willmar. I thought Bruce had sold the MSC,to concentrate on his Spatial Designs offering. I agree that another high quality and trusted MSC is needed.

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Stacey just added AGL Aviation, Lynn and Tamara Mace, KMRN, to the MSC roster. Lynn has been maintaining my M20E and many other Mooneys in Western NC for about 25 years.    http://www.aglaviation.com/services

[mike_elliott]

4 hours ago, klystron said: Headed out to Willmar tomorrow. Prebuy went well. Only items of note were a hole in the muffler where the exhaust pipe exits and a worn down tire. Both of those items are being taken care of today / tomorrow. Other items included a loose rudder hinge, some slightly worn connector ends on the control pushrods and slight wear on a couple of other normal wear items.  There were two very old items on the title but we managed to get those cleared up. 

Anyone know of a CFI with at least 600TT, 100 Retract time, and 25hrs M20 time in the Willmar or MSP area with availability this weekend? Most important day is Sunday I need to get 5 hours of dual for my dad so that we can fly the plane back to NM together.

Bruce Jaeger if he is still instructing. bruce AT Jaegeraviation.com He exceeds those numbers by about 20000 or so.  

2 hours ago, Marauder said: I think Bruce Jaeger was/is an instructor. Check with the Willmar folks, they bought the business from him.

They are no longer. Paul Beck and Eric Rudningen are trying to re-open a Mooney Service Center in Willmar, with references from Bruce, Maxwell and a few other noteables. Paul has the "right stuff" to become an excellent MSC, which is sorely needed. The Maxwell's Rouches and Lowens of the world are way overworked. I couldn't believe Don's ramp last week. Younger owners are not only needed as Mooney Pilots, but as MSC's. Got your ears on Stacy?

Thanks for the update on Willmar. I thought Bruce had sold the MSC,to concentrate on his Spatial Designs offering. I agree that another high quality and trusted MSC is needed.

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He did, but that apparently did not work out, as it was run into the ground. Now Paul is trying to fill the void. Bruce was Mooneys oldest service center

[klystron]

Went for a spin in N1972W this morning. Wow it's nice to have some speed. Had the STEC 60 fly cardinal directions at 4,500' and we averaged out about 145knots. 

 

Looks like everything is in place and as soon as the bank deposits the funds I'll be all set. Pics to come

[kevinw]

On 8/18/2016 at 7:27 AM, mike_elliott said:

He did, but that apparently did not work out, as it was run into the ground. Now Paul is trying to fill the void. Bruce was Mooneys oldest service center

I bought my J up in Willmar in 2013. Last I knew the MSC was operated by a Brian Negen under Maximum Cruise Aviation but I haven't been up there for a while. This is no longer the case?

[gsxrpilot]

JD and Laura Casteel have Southwest Texas Aviation up and running. They're an MSC and right on the field at KHYI San Marcos, TX.

[klystron]

42 minutes ago, kevinw said:

I bought my J up in Willmar in 2013. Last I knew the MSC was operated by a Brian Negen under Maximum Cruise Aviation but I haven't been up there for a while. This is no longer the case?

Nope, it's gone now. Eric and Paul are now the main shop and working on taking over the FBO. I just bought Brian's M20C.

[mike_elliott]

On 8/18/2016 at 7:27 AM, mike_elliott said: He did, but that apparently did not work out, as it was run into the ground. Now Paul is trying to fill the void. Bruce was Mooneys oldest service center

I bought my J up in Willmar in 2013. Last I knew the MSC was operated by a Brian Negen under Maximum Cruise Aviation but I haven't been up there for a while. This is no longer the case?

That is my understanding, Kevin

[kevinw]

28 minutes ago, klystron said:

Nope, it's gone now. Eric and Paul are now the main shop and working on taking over the FBO. I just bought Brian's M20C.

Did not know this. They installed my engine and another mechanic at a different shop pointed out a laundry list of issues when I was getting some other work done. All were minor but incorrect nonetheless. Brian eventually took care of all of them and it runs great but it didn't sit well with me so I never went back. Started hearing bad rumors about the shop thereafter. Jason Doscher of Jed-Aire Aviation in Benson, MN (about 20 NW of Willmar) works on my plane now. He's a Mooney expert that use to work in Willmar before going on his own.

You probably bought your plane through the same broker I did; Tim Lundquist. He's a good guy and was a pleasure working with.

[Danb]

On August 18, 2016 at 4:26 AM, mike_elliott said:

Bruce Jaeger if he is still instructing. bruce AT Jaegeraviation.com He exceeds those numbers by about 20000 or so.

 

They are no longer. Paul Beck and Eric Rudningen are trying to re-open a Mooney Service Center in Willmar, with references from Bruce, Maxwell and a few other noteables. Paul has the "right stuff" to become an excellent MSC, which is sorely needed. The Maxwell's Rouches and Lowens of the world are way overworked. I couldn't believe Don's ramp last week. Younger owners are not only needed as Mooney Pilots, but as MSC's. Got your ears on Stacy?

You looked like a young puppy last month when I saw you at DMax