World Record or just another average flight in a Mooney?

[PMcClure]

Pretty sure I could do this in my Ovation (close anyway) and way faster than 9 hours. I know I could do it in my F model without even thinking about it. 

 

http://www.thesunchronicle.com/news/local_news/ex-attleboro-pilot-completes-record-setting-fuel-efficiency-flight/article_fb2cd210-4aae-11e6-a900-53cc6bd2c378.html

 

[ArtVandelay]

Pfft, 15NM/gal! i can do better than that at 150 knots, my next flight I'll see what I can do at Carson's speed

[steingar]

I could to except I'd have to make a fuel stop.

[KSMooniac]

I did way better than that a few months ago in my stock J.

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[201er]

He had it back to 95knots.... 6gph. On 6gph LOP, I'm pushing 120 knots and 20nmpg. Why tinker with biofuel when you could just fly a Mooney instead?

[PMcClure]

SUB-CLASS	TYPE OF RECORD	PERFORMANCE	DATE	CLAIMANT	STATUS	ID
C-1c	Aeroplane Efficiency	9 km/kg	2016-07-12	Thierry Saint Loup (USA)	preliminary record claim received	17886
FAI Record File Num #17886  [Direct Link] Status: preliminary record claim received  Region: World  Class: C (Powered Aeroplanes)  Sub-Class: C-1c (Landplanes: take off weight 1000 to 1750 kg)  Category: Not applicable  Group: 1 : internal combustion engine  Type of record: Aeroplane Efficiency  Performance: 9 km/kg  Date: 2016-07-12  Course/Location: Fairfield, NJ (USA)  Claimant Thierry Saint Loup (USA)  Crew Thierry Saint Loup (USA), Ross McCurdy (USA)    Cessna 182

[cnoe]

And the answer is:  "just another average flight in a Mooney"

[aviatoreb]

So the answer is, the Cessna pilot should have:

-Had the Cessna engine removed and then had a Mooney engine installed.

and then

-Had the Cessna airframe removed and had a Mooney airframe installed.

[bonal]

Saw the story on my PC when I got back into the office and I'm thinking I know the LOP guys could do that without a sweat. Heck I could beat that in my C running 130mph on my 54 gallon bladders coarse Id kill my reserve.  I'm thinking I got to go on MS and start a thread no surprise I'm late to the party on this one.

[Jeff H.]

I sense a challenge has been issued.  Is there a possible group effort to answer?

My Rocket won't get the job done.  Willing to support in other means.

[aviatoreb]

6 minutes ago, Jeff H. said:

I sense a challenge has been issued.  Is there a possible group effort to answer?

My Rocket won't get the job done.  Willing to support in other means.

I think it will - you just need to slow waaaaay down.  Try running an absurdly low power setting and LOP and you will be surprised.  Actually, running too low of a power setting is not necessarily good for the engine - but you can do it to show off.

[Jeff H.]

1 minute ago, aviatoreb said:

I think it will - you just need to slow waaaaay down.

I'm sorry, I know not of the concept of which you speak.  I suspect it may be considered blasphemy, sacrilege, immoral and illegal in 47 states.  Let's keep it polite and not have anymore of that talk, please.

[aviatoreb]

Just now, Jeff H. said:

I'm sorry, I know not of the concept of which you speak.  I suspect it may be considered blasphemy, sacrilege, immoral and illegal in 47 states.  Let's keep it polite and not have anymore of that talk, please.

I apologize - I didn't mean it.

32'' 2450, party on dude!  :-)

[Guest]

1 hour ago, aviatoreb said:

So the answer is, the Cessna pilot should have:

-Had the Cessna engine removed and then had a Mooney engine installed.

and then

-Had the Cessna airframe removed and had a Mooney airframe installed.

Then he'd have no useful load!

Clarence

[Hank]

I could do that in my C at normal cruise. Slow for efficiency and I'll stomp it .   .

Edited July 18, 2016 by Hank

[gsxrpilot]

Yeah, very easy to do in my C as well.

[Joe Zuffoletto]

My Acclaim flying LOP in the flight levels with no wind gets... 15.1 nautical miles per gallon.

[Danb]

1 hour ago, Joe Zuffoletto said:

My Acclaim flying LOP in the flight levels with no wind gets... 15.1 nautical miles per gallon.

I got no chance in my Bravo, but I'd be waiting after a few cold ones, why go slow.

[aviatoreb]

2 hours ago, Joe Zuffoletto said:

My Acclaim flying LOP in the flight levels with no wind gets... 15.1 nautical miles per gallon.

...and faster than the Cessna?

[aviatoreb]

I would love to put one of these EPS 8-cylinder diesels on the nose of my airplane.

http://eps.aero

At 18gph pumping out 350hp - I bet I would be going 265TAS at 25,000ft.

That's 14.7222mpg in nm, or 16.93055 mpg in sm.

See folks, if you are going to make up numbers off the top of your head, its more convincing if you use lots of artificial precision because it is much more realistic.  At least 3.62 times as convincing.  Maybe a bit more than that even.

[Piloto]

Well this tells me that aviation diesel engines are not as efficient as AVGAS engines. And jet fuel is 1lb/gal heavier than AVGAS. At 100 gals I will be loosing 100 pounds of payload. I think I will keep my trusty I0-360 for a while.

José

[jetdriven]

How many NMPG does a 350 HP Mooney get? Diesels are far more efficient than gas engines.  The question is how to make them last long enough.  That hasn't been figured out 

[aviatoreb]

31 minutes ago, jetdriven said:

How many NMPG does a 350 HP Mooney get? Diesels are far more efficient than gas engines.  The question is how to make them last long enough.  That hasn't been figured out 

14.7222

[jetdriven]

7 minutes ago, aviatoreb said:

14.7222

What would a gasoline version get, seeing how the only engines would be the liquid rocket engine or the TSIO-540J2BD.  Last I flew one it was 25 GPH in cruise. Per side 

[PMcClure]

I can see we need to review Significant Figures! Here is a primer. 

https://www.khanacademy.org/math/pre-algebra/decimals-pre-alg/sig-figs-pre-alg/v/significant-figures