FAA $500 Rebate For ADS-B

[Jerry 5TJ]

1 hour ago, gsengle said:

Yep and there are as many installs already as the number of installs the rebate will cover, roughly, so for everyone they make happy, there is at least one person they pissed off.

There is a cloud wrapped around every silver lining.

Me, I'm happy the FAA has a plan to stimulate installations.  I think they could have handled it somewhat better, but they're doing OK.  

I'm going to be happy if twice as many GA planes have ADS-B out in the next year as do now because of this rebate stimulus.

I don't particularly care that I've blown my chance to get $500 by installing ADS-B Out already:  I spend that every time I go flying somewhere.  I have had weather and traffic displays for all this time, and it is great.

I have a hunch that if the FAA delays their 2020 "mandate" it is going to cost us all a lot more than the $20M this rebate costs.  ("A billion here, a billion there, pretty soon it adds up and you're talking real money.")

 

[gsengle]

Yeah nothing like an enforcement agency punishing those that eagerly follow the rules... Poor policy.

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[flyboy0681]

16 hours ago, gsengle said:

Ok someone somewhere has to start a petition that the FAA not penalize early installers. This is total BS imho. Aside from them now causing chaos with people waiting now for the program to start...

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Get over it. If you bought a Honda Accord on June 15th and on July 1st Honda announces a $3,000 rebate, you wouldn't be entitled to it.

[gsengle]

This is the government with our tax dollars, this isn't Honda, I don't need you telling me to get over it. That's not a valid analogy. I'm not forced to buy a Honda. It's really shitty.

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[flyboy0681]

Just now, gsengle said:

This is the government with our tax dollars, this isn't Honda, I don't need you telling me to get over it. That's not a valid analogy. I'm not forced to buy a Honda. It's really shitty.

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I thought it was a great analogy.

Go figure.

[gsxrpilot]

4 minutes ago, gsengle said:

This is the government with our tax dollars, this isn't Honda, I don't need you telling me to get over it. That's not a valid analogy. I'm not forced to buy a Honda. It's really shitty.

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Haters are always gonna hate... funny how it's usually the wealthy, M20R.

[flyboy0681]

Ok Ok, how about this..

You install a GDL-88 on June 15th and on July 1st Garmin announces a $500 rebate for all units installed between July 1st and August 30th.

Better analogy?

 

[mike_elliott]

24 minutes ago, Jerry 5TJ said:

There is a cloud wrapped around every silver lining.

Me, I'm happy the FAA has a plan to stimulate installations.  I think they could have handled it somewhat better, but they're doing OK.  

I'm going to be happy if twice as many GA planes have ADS-B out in the next year as do now because of this rebate stimulus.

I don't particularly care that I've blown my chance to get $500 by installing ADS-B Out already:  I spend that every time I go flying somewhere.  I have had weather and traffic displays for all this time, and it is great.

I have a hunch that if the FAA delays their 2020 "mandate" it is going to cost us all a lot more than the $20M this rebate costs.  ("A billion here, a billion there, pretty soon it adds up and you're talking real money.")

 

Will actually stimulate? We are already mandated to have these installed by 2020. How many additional ones will be sold by this time next year? By 2020? How many shops will feel the pain for the next 4 months? How many orders are being cancelled as I type to put it off? Those of us that have already "complied" do realize the benefits of adsb traffic and wx. Those that haven't, not so much. I just saw a thread here where someone was praising the ADSB for saving his butt. I am sure it was worth the perceived extra 500 to him

The $500 was saved by negotiating a good deal with my avionics guy on the front end last year plus I get the bennies now and I actually had some resale value of the KT76C. The used market of transponders just became a thing of the past.  Scheduling an install to be within the 20K window that can participate cash for trash program might be difficult along with more costly (supply demand thing)

All in, one is challenged to see where a single extra adsb transponder will be sold by 2020.

It will be worth it just to watch how this plays out, like yelling "white sale" at Walmart

[Bob_Belville]

1 hour ago, kevinw said:

Here's an interesting tidbit; the rebate only applies to single engine airplanes. They probably figure if you can afford to fly a multi-engine aircraft you don't deserve the rebate. That should piss some M-E owners off.

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Remember cash for clunkers? What do you expect from Washington? 

In spite of all this bitching I am a very happy camper. I've had traffic and weather on certified equipment for over 3 years and counting. If I figure that's worth as much as my Garmin subscriptions, a conservative assumption, I've gotten nearly 5 AMUs of benefit since 12/2012. And counting. 

[flyboy0681]

44 minutes ago, Jerry 5TJ said:

There is a cloud wrapped around every silver lining.

 

Maybe the silver lining are those people that wanted to get new equipment installed, like an Aspen, but were told by their shops that they were booked with ADS-B installs and now have some open slots caused by delays due to the rebate?

[Marauder]

Who wants to open an avionics shop with me to install Aspens? Peter Garmin?

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[HRM]

26 minutes ago, Marauder said:

Who wants to open an avionics shop with me to install Aspens? Peter Garmin?

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I'm in. That said, it isn't always good to let an engineer hold a soldering iron...

[Marauder]

26 minutes ago, Marauder said: Who wants to open an avionics shop with me to install Aspens? Peter Garmin?

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I'm in. That said, it isn't always good to let an engineer hold a soldering iron...

Reminds me of a funny story. I am an analytical chemist by education. I was hired by a company that felt it was easier to educate chemists to trouble instrumentation by board swapping than teaching an electrical engineer to do chemistry.

I was at a factory training class and was paired up with a Masters level EE from Europe. Let me just say I wasn't the guy who managed to arc weld his voltmeter probe to the instrument.

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[flyboy0681]

1 hour ago, Marauder said:

Who wants to open an avionics shop with me to install Aspens? Peter Garmin?

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Somehow I think the joke is on me. Are there no shops that install both Aspen and Garmin?

[Marauder]

1 hour ago, Marauder said: Who wants to open an avionics shop with me to install Aspens? Peter Garmin?

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Somehow I think the joke is on me. Are there no shops that install both Aspen and Garmin?

There are, it is just Peter Garmin won't have anything to do with Aspens. Then again, he doesn't have a G500 in his panel either.

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[Jerry 5TJ]

1 hour ago, Marauder said:

... I was hired by a company that felt it was easier to educate chemists to trouble instrumentation by board swapping than teaching an electrical engineer to do chemistry....

I recall reading that NASA found teaching fighter pilots Geology was amusing as well, but hey, they were going to the Moon, and you don't want 'em to pick up the wrong darn rocks.

[Jerry 5TJ]

3 hours ago, mike_elliott said:

Will actually stimulate? ..

The rebate offer has stimulated the heck out of this forum already.

[FoxMike]

$500.00 WOW.  If I am able to claim it I can use it to offset my recent $475.00 cost to get my static system, altimeter, transponder and EFIS recertified. 

[JC252MB]

I just have a serious, fundamental problem  with appropriated funds being spent to essentially prop up a program that has been paid for, up to this point, with appropriated funds. When does stuff like this end?

[carusoam]

JC252,

it doesn't.  Do you remember putting in Mode C in?  It came the same way, with the same logic, with the same delays.

People were often best served by being last to get with the program...

Same government issues, same people issues, similar hardware type issues...

Now it's 25 years later...?  Expect in 25 more years, you will be writing a similar text for the next guy....

Best regards,

-a-