Oshkosh arrival

[Jibsheet1]

I will be flying out to Oshkosh this year and was hoping some of you could offer some advice on altitude selection during the Fisk arrival. Although a J is capable of 90kts I am a bit concerned about getting behind an aircraft like a J3 cub only capable of 55kts. The Notam says if you are unable to maintain 90 then to fly 135 kts at 2300 ft. What do you guys suggest for the approach?

Thanks,

Jeff

[Guest]

I will be flying the higher altitude and speed in my Comanche. 90 knots to too slow for my comfort while flying with other airplanes.

Clarence

[Houman]

I will be flying the higher altitude and speed in my Comanche. 90 knots to too slow for my comfort while flying with other airplanes.

Clarence

I will do the same with the Rocket, 90 is good for base and final, not comfortable sustaining that for long in level flight !!!

[orionflt]

I usually fly in at 90, never really had any issues with slower planes.

Brian

[aviatoreb]

I will do the same with the Rocket, 90 is good for base and final, not comfortable sustaining that for long in level flight !!!

 

It can do it though.  I did my commercial in my Rocket last winter, and I was doing all sort of crazy maneuvers in the rocket.  The DPE who checked me out was impressed I did it all in my rocket.

[N201MKTurbo]

You should be able to fly the Mooney all day long at 65 knots. The big ass Comanche too.

[Hank]

You should be able to fly the Mooney all day long at 65 knots. The big ass Comanche too.

My C buzzes along quite happily at 65 mph with Takeoff flaps, gear Up, and the stall horn chirping occasionally during turns. Ninety mph is no problem at all, I set 2300 RPM and pull the throttle back to somewhere less than 16" while watching the ASI. Neither is somewhere that I operate regularly, but neither is a safety problem, either. Come to think of it, 90 mph is my pattern speed for Downwind and Base, before I slow to 85 on Final to cross the threshold at 70-75 depending on weight. Just think of it as an extended downwind!

Ya'll have fun for those of us attending vicariously through your many posts!

[carusoam]

Get a feel for flying level at 90kts using gentle, traffic pattern like turns, before you get there...

The O has a nose up attitude and control feels a bit sluggish. This leads to a bit of discomfort before blending in with busy traffic.

This is from an old memory, but worth sharing. Adjust it to fit your particular situation.

Other than that, my 90 knot experience was always a transition... slowing down to 90 in the pattern briefly before pointing the nose downhill.

Best regards,

-a-

[Guest]

You should be able to fly the Mooney all day long at 65 knots. The big ass Comanche too.

You'd be welcome to come up and try, 65 knots is just above gross weight stall. Not a place I'll fly it unless I'm about a foot above the runway.

I'll take the higher pattern at higher speed and be much happier.

Clarence

[GregF]

Sustained flight at 90kts in a J is very comfortable with the right configuration. Gear down, half flaps and 19" MP will give you a rock solid 90 knots. 16" MP should give you a 500-600 ft/min descent at 90 kts.

Have fun, see you there.

[bonal]

You'd be welcome to come up and try, 65 knots is just above gross weight stall. Not a place I'll fly it unless I'm about a foot above the runway.

I'll take the higher pattern at higher speed and be much happier.

Clarence

Not too interested in 65 but if I ever get back that way would love to see 200

[Will W]

Every Mooney can fly 90 knots. Don't expect any special treatment on the arrival. If you're behind a J3 and you can't stay behind him, break off the procedure and start again. This is in the NOTAM. Oshkosh is not were you learn to do these procedures for the first time. You should prepare before you show up. Practice at your home airport. Expect tight turns low to the ground. Very tight. Like turning final at 100 ft over the pavement. They keep your traffic pattern really tight and your base will never be longer than the approach end of the runways pavement.

Please, practice! 90 knots, gear down, flaps to takeoff and a higher manifold prewsure like 18-20 inches in about every model (A-J models might be better no flaps). We don't like people doing their own thing on this arrival. Makes us nervous.

[aviatoreb]

90 knots is not a problem in my bigger heavier Mooney - it feels strange if you are not used to it and its a bit soft, and noise high, but not a problem with practice.

 

65 knots is an entirely different beast.  Officially my Vs0 is 60.8 (10deg flaps) and Vs1 is (30deg flaps) is 55.  It is just a bit lowered with Vgs though.  Still, I won't go cruising around at 65knots.  Thats either for practicing stalls, or for the moment of flare.

[StinkBug]

You'd be welcome to come up and try, 65 knots is just above gross weight stall. Not a place I'll fly it unless I'm about a foot above the runway.

 

 

 

Meh. during instrument training my CFI had me flying all over the place under the hood with the stall horn blaring away. Climbs, descents, turns, all just above stall. It's not that bad. 90 is what I flew all my approaches at, that's a piece of cake.

[Hank]

Meh. during instrument training my CFI had me flying all over the place under the hood with the stall horn blaring away. Climbs, descents, turns, all just above stall. It's not that bad. 90 is what I flew all my approaches at, that's a piece of cake.

Me, too. I did lots of MCA at my last PPP, too.

[Guest]

Meh. during instrument training my CFI had me flying all over the place under the hood with the stall horn blaring away. Climbs, descents, turns, all just above stall. It's not that bad. 90 is what I flew all my approaches at, that's a piece of cake.

Gear down, full flaps(40 degrees) at 3600 pounds stall is 59kts. Sustained flight at less than 100kts requires flaps to keep the view over the nose comfortable. In the practice area is one thing, in a parade with a bunch of other planes of different capabilities and unknown pilots, I'll take the higher altitude routing with higher airspeed. Quite different than a lighter Mooney at 1000 pound less on the same wing area.

Clarence

[Jibsheet1]

Thank you to all for your comments. As stated Mooneys are capable of flying slower and the flight in on Sunday went very well at 90 knots. I followed a flight of RVs who were also at 90 knots and things were going well until they started slowing down for, no lie, a J3 at 50 knots. The flight was cleared to 2300 feet to overtake the slower traffic and then the fun began. Some of the RVs, I believe a flight of 7, went up to 2300 and then several split off. One went back to try the approach again and the other was all over the place. Thankfully all landed safely that day.