5 place Mooney?????

[flyby201]

I was looking at Trade-A-Plane and Controller yesterday and one of them (not sure which) contained an ad for a Mooney which stated it was a 5 place aircraft.  I've never heard of such.  Did they ever have a seat in the luggage compartment for a leg-less child?  Can imagine where else you could put someone.  Just curious.

[Jeev]

Mooney Mustang?

[201er]

Are you talking about the 5 seat Mooney M22 Mustang?

[flyby201]

No, not a Mustang.  At least I don't think it was, but I don't remember what model it was.

 

[carusoam]

Somewhere there was a 5 seat option for ovations.  Bench seat maybe?

I have not seen any pictures of one.

Best regards,

-a-

 

Update:  now I have seen pictures of the bench seat and additional shoulder harness for the fifth passenger.  Thanks Cris.

[231Pilot]

It would have to be the M22 Mustang.

[orangemtl]

I recall that a bench seat option was provided for the Acclaim/Ovations.

That said: you might just as well put a bench seat for three in the back of a Porsche 911.

[Cris]

There was definitely an option for a factory five place interior on an Ovation. It can be seen on Delta Aviation's web site www.deltaaviationllc.com It consisted of a bench seat with three seat belts in the rear suitable for small kids car seats & small adults. 

[Piloto]

It is cramp enough for two on the back. On an Ovation a kid would be more comfortable riding in the baggage area. The long bodies baggage area is large enough for a kid and baggage.

 

José

[John Pleisse]

There are only 2-4 Mustangs still flying. On Controller.com and others, you have to fill out a form, one field is the number seats..perhaps an error? I guess having the extra seat and harness is all that is legally required.

[Mooneymite]

Other than load and balance, is there specifically a limitation to the number of people that can be carried in a Mooney?

[Parker_Woodruff]

I passed over the listing as well and figured it must be a typo...but it was on a longbody..don't remember the exact listing.

Interesting that there was an option for a 5th seat...I sure wouldn't be interested.

[skyking]

I am currently shopping for a 5 place and there are 5 seat Ovations out there. It was a factory option apparently.

I had never heard of it either.

[Parker_Woodruff]

Here's your 5 seat Mooney Ovation.

http://www.controller.com/listingsdetail/aircraft-for-sale/MOONEY-M20R-OVATION-3-GX/2007-MOONEY-M20R-OVATION-3-GX/1209509.htm?

[rbridges]

Quote: Parker_Woodruff

Here's your 5 seat Mooney Ovation.

http://www.controller.com/listingsdetail/aircraft-for-sale/MOONEY-M20R-OVATION-3-GX/2007-MOONEY-M20R-OVATION-3-GX/1209509.htm?

[DaV8or]

I remember hearing about people putting a kid's seat in the baggage area. Can't remember if it was some sort of STC mod, or just goofy stuff people do.

[aviatoreb]

Quote: DaV8or

I remember hearing about people putting a kid's seat in the baggage area. Can't remember if it was some sort of STC mod, or just goofy stuff people do.

[carusoam]

Eb,

In the beetle it was less critical to wear a seatbelt, you were not expected to survive any impact.  The floor would buckle releasing the seats and the occupants.

With the Mooney's roll cage and overall strength you need the seatbelt as a final touch...

Shoulder belts really put the finishing touch on the safety.  The beetle didn't have those either.

Amsafe plug anyone?

-a-

[Jeff_S]

Until I saw the third seat-belt, I thought they were considering the dog beds in the hatrack as the extra seat!

:-)

[DaV8or]

Quote: carusoam

The beetle didn't have those either.

Amsafe plug anyone?

-a-

[aviatoreb]

Quote: carusoam

Eb,

In the beetle it was less critical to wear a seatbelt, you were not expected to survive any impact.  The floor would buckle releasing the seats and the occupants.

[hwarnat]

Hello,

i have on of those 5-seat mooneys M941MZ as depicted on the website quoted above.However, the POH claims 1pilot and 3 pax only.

Referring to to Part 91.114 every passanger must have an pproved seat and belt and harness. May i operate with 3 adults and two children > 10 yrs if W+Bis ok ? My insurance is covering if legal.

I remember arule that allows to place 2 children <10 onone seat but wasnt able to look it up either. Can anybody  help?

 

 

br Holger Warnat

[carusoam]

Holger,

For your consideration...from an engineering perspective....

Welcome to mooneyspace.  I think the two people in one seat concept went out a few years ago.  Two children were allowed to share one seat in commercial airlines at the same time.  Now everyone gets their own seat.  Back far enough, mommy and child were allowed in one seat.  Mommy was told too hold the child in her arms and not to use the seatbelt for both.

I find it unlikely anyone has collected enough data on various weight combinations with various child heights that a reasonable scientific test could support the operation.

On the otherhand, I understand your aircraft was built to operate with the third seat.  

My 65C had no shoulder harnesses when I bought it.  I could operate it legally. 

You would consider this not real legal advice.  My current R has shoulder harnesses at all four locations at all times.  The back seats are filled often.

It makes good sense to have shoulder harnesses for everyone if the seat gets used often. Cars have also gone to using shoulder belts for backseats as well.  The type injury warrants the extra equipment.

The shoulder belt was designed to keep front passengers from hitting dashboards.  The backseat version is used to prevent folding the passenger in half around the belt.... Similar injury from the same problem with the same proven solution.

Look to find differences in legal to operate vs. legal to build.

For safety of your smallest passenger use a proper booster seat with shoulder straps would be inline with the design. Good luck getting everyone to fit.

 

Best regards,

-a-

 

[kerry]

You can have 2 passengers share 1 seat belt as long as their combined weight is 170 lbs or less.  It don't think matters if their childern or adults.  The rules state persons.  This rule was interpeted in 1972 and reaffirmed in 1990.