kortopates Posted April 27, 2018 Report Share Posted April 27, 2018 It would take more time than I have to really that well, but I'd start with 43.13 that says we have to follow the manufacturers maintenance manuals. for using anything else we need to have approved data, acceptable to the administrator, to allow us to use it, which is what STC process provides. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N201MKTurbo Posted April 27, 2018 Report Share Posted April 27, 2018 https://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/rulemaking/committees/documents/media/AGAMcmmT1-01051994.pdf Here is some history. Replacing any part with a part not listed in the manufacturers specification is considered an alteration. FAR 43 Appendix A. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tommy123 Posted April 28, 2018 Report Share Posted April 28, 2018 15 hours ago, Igor_U said: Paul, does your IPC call for position light bulbs? Mine doesn't ('67F). It calls for Position, Light p/n 800223 and -501 (Green) with not mentioning light bulbs at all. How would you all proceed in this case? Thank you. For the CDE page 220. Wiring schematics. Step one for working on airplanes is knowing how to use the applicable documentation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted April 28, 2018 Report Share Posted April 28, 2018 18 minutes ago, tommy123 said: For the CDE page 220. Wiring schematics. Step one for working on airplanes is knowing how to use the applicable documentation. Yeah, but he has an F. Your IPC is for C, D & E. they aren't always the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted April 28, 2018 Report Share Posted April 28, 2018 On 4/25/2018 at 3:50 PM, Albatros said: I am having trouble finding this replacement bulb for Green wingtip navigation light. Any suggestions? Yours if you want it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted April 28, 2018 Report Share Posted April 28, 2018 Just noticed both have a G21 marking on them. Not sure of the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tommy123 Posted April 29, 2018 Report Share Posted April 29, 2018 23 hours ago, Hank said: Yeah, but he has an F. Your IPC is for C, D & E. they aren't always the same. The point was they are spelled out in the WD. The other point was you need to know where to look, being the first step in maintenance. To be completely legal you must have your reference material at hand. At the airlines the feds would often walk up to us as we were working and demand to see the maintenance manual reference material we were using and it had better have that day's date on it. We made copies of the manual from a computer and they are date stamped. Large aircraft manuals are updated on a daily basis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted April 29, 2018 Report Share Posted April 29, 2018 2 hours ago, tommy123 said: The point was they are spelled out in the WD. The other point was you need to know where to look, being the first step in maintenance. To be completely legal you must have your reference material at hand. At the airlines the feds would often walk up to us as we were working and demand to see the maintenance manual reference material we were using and it had better have that day's date on it. We made copies of the manual from a computer and they are date stamped. Large aircraft manuals are updated on a daily basis. My Maintenance Manual is dated in the 1970s . . . . Good thing I'm not an airline! 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbarnes403 Posted April 29, 2018 Report Share Posted April 29, 2018 On April 26, 2018 at 8:21 PM, cctsurf said: Thats a Grimes position bulb, P/N A1285-G-12 the Mooney P/N is 800223-501. Whelen make a replaces bulb W1285SPG1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbarnes403 Posted April 29, 2018 Report Share Posted April 29, 2018 I tried to quote cctsurf but guess it didn't post.... I do have a question, why can't you just replace the bulb with a cross referenced bulb. we do the same thing for spark plugs, oil filters, wheel bearing. Guess all I'm saying is its the same part but different manufacture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 30, 2018 Report Share Posted April 30, 2018 On 4/25/2018 at 9:46 PM, Raptor05121 said: Whelen Chroma series LED. $115/ea. Probably THE brightest drop-in LED. According to the Spruce web site, “FAA approval pending” Clarence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Igor_U Posted April 30, 2018 Report Share Posted April 30, 2018 11 hours ago, David Herman said: I found the red and green on Spruce ... is there a white for the tail? Please post a link if you have one. Thanks. Yeah, I was looking at that as well. $115each is stupid for a light bulb but in a grand scheme of things drop in a bucket. I should be replacing them at my next annual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yetti Posted April 30, 2018 Report Share Posted April 30, 2018 I like how the grimes bulbs were taped off with masking tape and then spray painted to get the correct angles for viewing. Wonder what GE bulb they used to do that with. In other news, and for me just to be annoying. Just because the picture of that you take of LEDs is brighter does not mean that they are really brighter. It just means that the CCD in the camera you are using likes the temperature of the LEDs better than the incandescent bulbs. Same as with the LED in a remote control. hold the remote up to the camera to check and see if it is working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptor05121 Posted April 30, 2018 Report Share Posted April 30, 2018 No white Minor alteration. They are noticeably brighter. Too early to pull out charts, etc. Nice to see on the ground, can easily see in daytime, etc. Where's my coffee? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilpilot Posted April 30, 2018 Report Share Posted April 30, 2018 14 minutes ago, Yetti said: Wonder what GE bulb they used to do that with. GE 7512-12v? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Posted April 30, 2018 Report Share Posted April 30, 2018 (edited) On 4/25/2018 at 7:46 PM, luv737s said: Don't think you need an IA to sign off a light bulb replacement, just make a log book entry. Official MS kerfuffle thread observation snack Edited April 30, 2018 by Stephen 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatros Posted May 2, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2018 Did upgrade on tail light too. Bad ass bright Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carusoam Posted May 2, 2018 Report Share Posted May 2, 2018 Nice pics, Albatros... But That lower screw is a few degrees out of alignment... (typical friendly MS harassment) Best regards, -a- 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB65E Posted May 2, 2018 Report Share Posted May 2, 2018 What tail lamp p/n is that? -Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sime Posted May 2, 2018 Report Share Posted May 2, 2018 5 hours ago, Albatros said: Did upgrade on tail light too. Bad ass bright Looks great! I'd be happy with that improvement too. Any links to part numbers are source please? Did you do the nav light globes too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Igor_U Posted May 2, 2018 Report Share Posted May 2, 2018 This looks like you replaced LED light bulb only, correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yetti Posted May 2, 2018 Report Share Posted May 2, 2018 8 hours ago, carusoam said: Nice pics, Albatros... But That lower screw is a few degrees out of alignment... (typical friendly MS harassment) Best regards, -a- heck no the top one is 90 degrees out of alignment. that is going to cost you several knots in speed putting them in the slow way not aligned with the symmetry of the rudder and the rest of the plane. It's what happens when you let armature mechanics work on the plane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertGary1 Posted May 2, 2018 Report Share Posted May 2, 2018 On 4/30/2018 at 6:48 AM, David Herman said: Good catch “Doc” ... I missed that. ... so used to most Wheelen products being PMA’d .... I’m holding off ordering them for now. The new FAA moves with lightning speed ... they should be approved any day now!!! But a PMA is just an authorization to produce the part. I didn't think it said anything about the installation on any particular aircraft. I agree with others who have stated an A&P can sign it as a minor alteration. I don't see it as a major mod in any way. -Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertGary1 Posted May 2, 2018 Report Share Posted May 2, 2018 4 minutes ago, Albatros said: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B077PTTG18/ref=cm_sw_r_em_tai_i_c_pYI6Ab8BD8KN0 Hehe. Good luck getting someone to sign that off on a certified aircraft. -Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Posted May 3, 2018 Report Share Posted May 3, 2018 (edited) On 4/29/2018 at 5:24 PM, cbarnes403 said: On 4/26/2018 at 7:21 PM, cctsurf said: Thats a Grimes position bulb, P/N A1285-G-12 the Mooney P/N is 800223-501. Whelen make a replaces bulb W1285SPG1 for those trying to follow the conversation and the doc references, that may not have the illustrated parts catalog and maint manuals (including wiring/electrical): here are the sheets from my manuals: Edited May 3, 2018 by Stephen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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