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xrs135

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xrs135

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Hypothetically speaking, if I were to have Monroy long range tanks installed, who would be my best bet for the job on the west coast?

If I had to guess, I'd say Advance Aircraft in Troutdale... but does anybody have any personal experience in getting the long range tanks installed out here?

Piloto Grand Master

Piloto

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2 hours ago, xrs135 said:

Hypothetically speaking, if I were to have Monroy long range tanks installed, who would be my best bet for the job on the west coast?

If I had to guess, I'd say Advance Aircraft in Troutdale... but does anybody have any personal experience in getting the long range tanks installed out here?

Any one with fuel tank sealing experience would be desirable. It takes about 65 man-hours for the installation. All the parts in the kit are installed through the existing bottom access panels (no skin removal). After the parts in the kit are installed sealant is brushed in. It is a straight forward procedure with no special skills required. The instructions are very clear with lots of drawings.

José Monroy

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aviatoreb Grand Master

aviatoreb

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20 minutes ago, Piloto said:

Any one with fuel tank sealing experience would be desirable. It takes about 65 man-hours for the installation. All the parts in the kit are installed through the existing bottom access panels (no skin removal). After the parts in the kit are installed sealant is brushed in. It is a straight forward procedure with no special skills required. The instructions are very clear with lots of drawings.

José Monroy

Jose' - are you THE Monroy who made the STC?

Piloto Grand Master

Piloto

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7 minutes ago, aviatoreb said:

Jose' - are you THE Monroy who made the STC?

Yes, back in 1985. Quite an experience getting them FAA approved. 49 spins with full fuel (100 gals) and sand bags for aft CG for flight testing. 

José

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TWinter

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Looks like I'll be helping Jose' retire or enjoy retirement. On my short list..Long range tanks :)  Always good to know where the money is going.

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flyboy0681 Grand Master

flyboy0681

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The jig is up, Jose is finally exposed. He lives about a mile from me and we've met many times. Nice guy (nicer wife) and has great flying stories to tell, some of which were verified by a mutual friend of ours.

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Deb Veteran

Deb

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OK, true story: David and I were waxing our Mooney and this very nice gentleman came by and admired the plane. He then ssked how we liked our plane, and we started talking about Mooneys. He then casually asked whether we were familiar with long range tanks for the Mooney. After we demonstrated our total ignorance he described them in detail. At the end of our conversation, when we asked him his name, he said he was José Monroy. He is truly a humble gentleman, in addition to being a brilliant engineer. 

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flyboy0681 Grand Master

flyboy0681

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12 hours ago, Deb said:

OK, true story: David and I were waxing our Mooney and this very nice gentleman came by and admired the plane. He then ssked how we liked our plane, and we started talking about Mooneys. He then casually asked whether we were familiar with long range tanks for the Mooney. After we demonstrated our total ignorance he described them in detail. At the end of our conversation, when we asked him his name, he said he was José Monroy. He is truly a humble gentleman, in addition to being a brilliant engineer. 

Humble is a gross understatement.

 

 

LANCECASPER Grand Master

LANCECASPER

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I met Jose at MAPA in 1996 in Kerrville right after I bought a Bravo. In 1997 I called him and inquired about the LR tanks. I flew it over to FXE and he flew me back to ORL. A week later I picked it up. That should be one of the first options any Mooney owner considers. It makes the airplane so much more flexible in flight planning (weather, winds, etc.) 

In just my brief dealings with him I could see what a wealth of knowledge there was there and on top it, a great guy. When I joined Mooneyspace I recognized him, PMed him. I wanted to let him be anonymous until Anthony outed him yesterday . .lol.

In light of this I think Jose's next great STC can now be announced  - the Monroy Long Range Catheter for those with LR tanks. As the LR tanks drain, so does yours and there's an option to use it for de-icing (Inadvertent not FIKI).

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LANCECASPER Grand Master

LANCECASPER

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3 minutes ago, daver328 said:

Our preference is the Mulroy system over re-sealing ....

Mulroy? Moroney? Maloney? Manta Ray?  His name is Monroy - I have seen people butcher it for years . . lol. Yours was probably just a spell check error.

You'll need to re-seal whether or not you go with LR tanks. The LR drain into your regular tanks.

You have the right guy though. Your guy Edison at WetWingologists has probably done more LR tanks than anyone but Jose.

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Andy95W Grand Master

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O&N bladders are available for the C that can boost fuel load to 64 gallons, but that's only an extra hour.  Might be a possibility if your tanks are fairly old, though.

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M20F Grand Master

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88 gallons on the long range tanked C gives you 8hrs of flying time at your 10 GPH + 45 min reserve.  That's 1100NM at 140kts, personally I don't think I could make it 8hrs in a Mooney seat so fuel doesn't limit me.

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carusoam Grand Master

carusoam

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I didn't really out him...  I wrote 'we have a guy.'

then sent a PM to him.

The best part.  He is a Mooney guy with a technical background.  The advertisement for the Monroy tanks is a simple graph of a flight.  Speed verses distance.  Non-stop vs. a single stop.  More capacity is a speed mod.

Only two in the plane? Get extended tanks, travel far!

you know the voice that says 'traffic'.  We know the family .:)

Best regards,

-a-

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adrian Enthusiast

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I love the long range tanks I put in my E.  I hardly ever need them, but they give so many more options - especially on this side of the Atlantic where fuel isn't as cheap or as readily available as one would like. On the flight from the US to Europe they meant I never had to do any fuel or endurance calculations.  I flew from Canada to Greenland, safe in the knowledge that if I couldn't land at my destination I could divert to any almost any other airport in Greenland, or continue on to Iceland, or return to Canada. That peace of mind was more than worth the cost of the tanks. 

I always assumed everyone here knew that Piloto is Mr Monroy!

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Bob_Belville Grand Master

Bob_Belville

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On 2/25/2016 at 10:51 AM, daver328 said:

While we are on the subject of long range tanks. They just may be the answer for us?

I read here of 201er's flights to Belize/ Caribbean and Canada ... and  more recently Deb's flight to St Thomas, for example. (there are others too) We would love to make some of those trips too, but when I flight plan those flights the fuel is just too close for my comfort. (I am very conservative, can never have enough extra fuel for contingencies!)  So our I am afraid a carbureted 1965 M20C JUST DOESNT HAVE THE "LEGS" we need to go those distances ... and international fuel stops could make for some longer days. 

We can carry the weight of more fuel  ... just two of us onboard.

Our C just doesn't 1) carry the fuel or 2) get the economy of those injected Es or J's. The earlier B/C models I hear held 48 gallons, but ours from 1965 on holds 52 gallons - so I have that little extra bit. I think Js normally carry 64 gallons? 

Fifty-two (52) gallons and leaned properly from 9000' - 11000', gets about 10 gph. 10 gph is best case scenario. (Challenger Intake with PowerFlow Exhaust increases speed, but also burn) ... can't run LOP. I program in climb, cruise and descent burns in planning. Plan conservatively 11 gph in cruise.

So most recently, some of you read that we were considering selling our Mooney. That is why. I want more range. Later you read me asking about oxygen systems. Again, trying to figure a way to keep our M20C but extend our airplane's range. I will also experiment with lower power settings to increase range, but it grates to slow down. 

We started out making easy little runs to the Bahamas, but if we want to stretch our legs ... I am not sure our plane fits that mission? Long range tanks would also make it possible on the Bahamas visits to go direct to those AOEs which do NOT carry 100LL and have enough fuel to return, without that additional fuel stop at Marsh Harbour or North Eleuthera! That makes our travel day a bit easier ... ability to carry "round trip" fuel.

I do think if I don't figure out a way to get more range ... we will be trading our C for a plane that can perform the mission. But it's sad because we really love the C and we know what we've got. Sad too because we have invested a lot into the C we will never get back if we sell. 

I am still a rookie. Anyone flown a 52 gallon C those distances? Anyone have a C with long range tanks? Care to share your wisdom? Jos‘e?

Dave, 64 gallons might work for you. 5+ hours plus reserves is more than I care to do in one leg. And bladders are a "permanent" fix for the sealant issue. (I've have the 54 gallon bladders since '97 and every now and then think I'd like to add the 10 gallon extension. But I usually remind myself that neither Nancy nor I want to spend over 4 hours without a stretch and potty stop. I guess I have more occasions when I take 4 adults for relatively short trips than I have trips when an extra 10 gallons would save a stop. 64 gallons and 4 adults do not work with our 2575 gross.)

I know you've put a lot of TLC & improvements into your C. 

http://www.onaircraft.com/products-services/mooney-bladders/

Steve Dawson Experienced

Steve Dawson

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On 2/24/2016 at 4:35 PM, Piloto said:

Yes, back in 1985. Quite an experience getting them FAA approved. 49 spins with full fuel (100 gals) and sand bags for aft CG for flight testing. 

José

I'd like to hear more about how and what you did to prepare for the 49 spins.

Steve

flyboy0681 Grand Master

flyboy0681

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Just now, Steve Dawson said:

I'd like to hear more about how and what you did to prepare for the 49 spins.

Steve

This is one of Jose's best stories. When sitting down with him it takes him a half hour to tell the whole thing, so writing it in a few sentences won't do it justice.

 

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