Mooney65E Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 Not sure how well this ones going to go over...I personally wouldn't spend $48,500 for a new engine on my 65E that's probably worth less than that in todays market. Owners of older Mooneys now have a new option when it's time for an engine overhaul. Lycoming recently received the FAA OK to replace the original IO-360 Lycoming engine in Mooney M20E, M20F and M20J models with a new or remanufactured IO-390-A3A6 engine. The engine provides more horsepower as well as improved climb and cruise performance, while maintaining the same footprint as the IO-360 engine, Lycoming says. The new STC shows the company's commitment to legacy aircraft, says Dennis Racine, Lycoming director of marketing and program management. About 50 service centers across the country have been authorized to complete the installations. The STC includes a new or rebuilt IO-390-A3A6, the Slick Start System and required documentation. In addition, Hartzell has certified both two-blade and three-blade propellers for the STC. List price of the new IO-390 is $48,500, or $36,100 for the rebuilt engine, according to AOPA. Meanwhile, Mooney is trying to entice new buyers with financing at 2.99 percent for the first four years, for those who qualify. The company is also offering a leaseback option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjc Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 Quote: Mooney65E Not sure how well this ones going to go over...I personally wouldn't spend $48,500 for a new engine on my 65E that's probably worth less than that in todays market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immelman Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 I think its been said before, but... For that kind of money it seems that one would be ahead by doing a conventional overhaul of an IO360 and then doing some sort of aftermarket turbonormalizer. In terms of bang for the buck I think that would yield a lot more capability and performance to an NA mooney owner. With that said, I have no idea what the status of (approved) aftermarket turbochargers & relevant accessories for a typical mooney. I have seen them installed or for sale on occasion, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parker_Woodruff Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 Of course I'd want to know where a reman'd IO-390 would be coming from...unless it uses a lot of the same parts as the IO-360. And can you do a trade IO-360 for a factory overhauled IO-390? We'll see how they get priced out from Air Power. I know it takes a Hartzell Prop...any idea which model? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjc Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 Quote: Immelman For that kind of money it seems that one would be ahead by doing a conventional overhaul of an IO360 and then doing some sort of aftermarket turbonormalizer. In terms of bang for the buck I think that would yield a lot more capability and performance to an NA mooney owner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immelman Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 Good points. I really did not expect the turbo to be that much money; and agree that at that point, with today's market, you're in 252 territory. I was basing my assumptions on resale prices... which made for a poor assumption! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piloto Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 Assuming the IO-390 outputs 210 HP the most velocity increase you will get over the IO-360 is 1.6%. That's about 2.5 kts, tops. José Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fantom Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 Quote: Piloto Assuming the IO-390 outputs 210 HP the most velocity increase you will get over the IO-360 is 1.6%. That's about 2.5 kts, tops. José Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaglebkh Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 Perhaps they could throw in a max gross weight increase as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piloto Posted November 24, 2009 Report Share Posted November 24, 2009 Hope I live long enough to see an electric motor in my Mooney. 100% power all the way to space, no exhaust noise, no vibration, no messy oil stains, no compression checks, no EGTs, no pricey AVGAS. Boy I am going to miss all these stuff. I believe this is the last century for combustion motors. Wait for the 200Kw brushless 1000volts motor with an overhaul cost of $1000 (bearings replacement) and TBOs of over 5000 hours or more. Who needs an IO-390? José Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjc Posted November 24, 2009 Report Share Posted November 24, 2009 Quote: Piloto Hope I live long enough to see an electric motor in my Mooney. 100% power all the way to space, no exhaust noise, no vibration, no messy oil stains, no compression checks, no EGTs, no pricey AVGAS. Boy I am going to miss all these stuff. I believe this is the last century for combustion motors. Wait for the 200Kw brushless 1000volts motor with an overhaul cost of $1000 (bearings replacement) and TBOs of over 5000 hours or more. Who needs an IO-390? José Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immelman Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 Quote: Piloto Hope I live long enough to see an electric motor in my Mooney. 100% power all the way to space, no exhaust noise, no vibration, no messy oil stains, no compression checks, no EGTs, no pricey AVGAS. Boy I am going to miss all these stuff. I believe this is the last century for combustion motors. Wait for the 200Kw brushless 1000volts motor with an overhaul cost of $1000 (bearings replacement) and TBOs of over 5000 hours or more. Who needs an IO-390? José Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piloto Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 Conventional chemical batteries may not be the solution but something more practical like fuel cells. I grew-up in an era were vacuum tubes were king, good pictures are only taken on film, big TVs always had big rear ends, cars manual transmission was standard, you text someone with a Wester Union telegram and toy planes always had propellers. Just hope to see when people used to die before 100!! José Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt_CrashN_Burn Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 Is there any way to get an IO-390 STC'ed for a C model?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HopePilot Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 I'm waiting for nuclear power: http://www.aviation-history.com/articles/nuke-american.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbridges Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 Quote: Capt_CrashN_Burn Is there any way to get an IO-390 STC'ed for a C model?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carusoam Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 You would really have to love your C and not want anything else. In otherwords, with the money to invest in an IO-390, + the value of your run-out C, = other nicer airplane..... If you love your C and don't want anything else, the IO-390 would be a very nice upgrade.....Add autopilot, Aspen and Garmin 430w, while you are at it..... New paint and revised instrument panel, and she will be the belle of the M20C ball...... - a - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwixdraw Posted December 14, 2010 Report Share Posted December 14, 2010 Two words....Warp Drive! OK, fantasy aside, I could see someone with an engine that had several overhauls under its belt and a lot of hours going for the IO-390. Biggest hitch is that the thing has to be installed at a Lycoming master service center or whatever they call them. The local one to me knew nothing about the STC and never called back with the info they were supposed to get. I guess they have too much work to be bothered. I like the idea of the roller lifters but unless I'm misinformed Lycoming is installing them in all their engines now so it's really nothing extra over rebuilding the IO-360 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaV8or Posted December 14, 2010 Report Share Posted December 14, 2010 Quote: Kwixdraw I like the idea of the roller lifters but unless I'm misinformed Lycoming is installing them in all their engines now so it's really nothing extra over rebuilding the IO-360 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwixdraw Posted December 14, 2010 Report Share Posted December 14, 2010 The real problem as I see it is that you aren't going to know some of this until you have things apart. You get the prop off and send it in and a couple days later you get the "got so bad news" call. You get the engine apart for an overhaul and find out the tappet holes in your cases are going to need rework @ $xxx a hole...it gets to be a deal where you wish you had taken the plunge in the first place but you didn't think you were going to get to this position. Ah the joys of aircraft ownership. I think the roller tappets are a good thing for the most part but you need to realize that if you have a prop strike they all get to be replaced as a precaution..$$$$ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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