russellfletcher Posted June 22, 2012 Report Posted June 22, 2012 We just got back from our trip to Cancun Mexico and I thought I would update everyone. Our aircraft is based in Terrell Texas, just outside Dallas. We planned to meet some friends flying commercially in Cancun on June 14th and come back on June 18th. My wife was understandably nervous about flying straight across the Gulf of Mexico over open water, but she trusted me and so off we went. I had planned the trip for some time and had researched everything I could find about flying to Mexico. It turned out to be even easier than anticipated. I had already gotten a Mexico package from Jeppesen, as well as updated the panel and handheld GPS (AV8OR ACE) with the latest nav and VFR/IFR charts and approaches, and ordered the L-3 IFR chart for the Gulf from Aeronav. We had also ordered the Customs sticker for the airplane for the return trip. I had contacted the FBO in Cancun in advance for what to do and where to go and they were very helpful and wrote/spoke english very well, communicating via email and phone. We had filed our outbound and inbound eAPIS requests and the outbound international flight plan with WxBrief and everything was set. we had life jackets, a raft, plb, and handheld vhf radio in case something happened. We wanted to be wheels up by 6 AM on the 14th, since my wife wanted to be landing in Cancun between 12 and 1 PM. Then we decided to go down one day early, because we own a plane and could change our plans easily. We got ready to fly down on the 13th, and the hotel said that would be no problem. Due to my wife wanting to wear makeup on the flight, that turned into 7 AM instead. I tried to tell her the Customs guys in Cancun didn't care whether she fixed her hair or tied it in a ponytail and covered it with a baseball cap, but it didn't make one little dent. So we loaded up and were wheels up by 7AM. I contacted FTW Center for flight following and asked them to update CBP in Beaumont for our time of landing. The trip to Beaumont was about 1:30 so not a long flight. We landed in Beaumont and fueled up. We had enough fuel for a straight flight from Terrell to Cancun, but my wife drew the line at that. She wanted plenty of fuel. I did too for our first flight over water, so it was an easy decision. Found out on the way down to Beaumont the XM Weather wasn't working, so called tech support while waiting for the fuel truck, but they said they would call back. Too late for us as we planned to be in the air. We didn't need to go through Customs outbound, so after fueling up, off we went, across the Gulf. I had flight-planned a route directly on an airway, A766, and then veer off when we got close to Cancun. We got in the air and got switched to Houston Approach. That's when things started going awry. Approach asked me if i was certified to fly across the Gulf. I had an IFR rating and was current, as was the aircraft, and we were on an IFR flight plan, so I said "Affirmative". They chewed on that and then came back and told me to turn back and asked if I had an HF radio on board. "No I do not." I was about to tell them something i would probably have regretted when they came back on and said I could not fly across the Gulf IFR if i didn't have a HF radio. I researched flying to Mexico for months and had never once seen anything like that mentioned. And the charts had VHF frequencies designated for use crossing the Gulf. My wife is now crying because she is confused and scared and doesn't understand what they are talking about. Thanks guys! Then they came back on and said Houston Center had told them my choice was to turn back or cancel IFR and go VFR. I had already been leaning in that direction when they called, so I immediately canceled IFR and turned back out. The lady at Approach who had been doing all the talking, and very sternly i might add, now proceeded to warn me not to fly across the Gulf as a single engine aircraft, and they would not talk to me after 50 miles offshore. Then she stated that there was a convective sigment for the Gulf in effect. Now, I had checked the weather earlier in the morning and that was not the case then. So i switched frequencies and asked Flight Watch for an update. They came back and said that there had been one much earlier but nothing had come of it and it was fine now and the satellite pictures showed clear skies all the way across the Gulf. I switched back and was given the frequency for Houston Center. This controller was great. Very nice and super helpful. He said they could hear us way farther than 50 miles, and even though were were VFR, to just stay on his frequency and update him occasionally. No problems. We were already at altitude and leaned out and set for cruise, so we just sat back and got comfortable. My wife was still upset, but i patiently explained to her everything that had gone on, and what it all meant. She calmed down quite a bit was still as nervous as a cat on a hotplate. The cruise across the Gulf was very smooth. we just kept a watch for boats or oil platforms in case we had engine problems. We updated Center at every reporting point. There was about 30 minutes before we hit Mexican airspace that we couldn't hear Center talking to us, but they could hear us and we relayed messages back and forth though the petroleum helicopters and airlines. Everyone was super helpful and friendly. We had already been given the frequency to contact for Merida Center by Houston, so at the changeover point (KEHLI), we radioed our position. Same thing again. They could hear us, but we couldn't hear them. Airlines came in and helped transmit our position reports and Merida's replies. After a few minutes, we could hear them and they could hear us. Cruised on in and then got switched to Approach. That's when things got awry again. It took them 7-8 frequency changes back and forth for us to get Approach. We went from Merida Center to Cancun Approach to Tower to Approach to Departure to Approach. We finally got the right frequency and got a reply. It took about 10 minutes but was very confusing. ATC didn't seem to be nearly as smooth as in the US, but they were very nice and super helpful. Approach had us descend at pilot's discretion for us to be at 1500 at 20 miles out. We descended slowly as we had plenty of time. At 1500 about 22 miles out, Approach soon vectored us around incoming traffic, a Piper twin that had flown in out of Roatan Honduras on it's way to Naples Florida. I know because i met the pilot after landing. Anyway, we got vectored around and told to "fly this vector for 4 minutes, and then turn in direct Cancun." We did just that and then got cleared for the approach to 12R. The landing was normal, the winds were right down the runway and about 8 knots. I flew the ILS even though it was great visibility and we touched down very smoothly (1 out of 1000, hey everyone gets lucky sometimes!). My wife was very happy, she had gotten happier and happier the closer we got to Mexico, and was doing great about 150 miles out, but she was glad to be there and ready to hit the beach. 5.0 hours of flying and we are there. We landed and taxied back to the FBO. In Cancun, the FBO handles everything. They have Customs, Commandancia for flight documents, Immigration, and the normal FBO stuff, fuel, etcetera. We had several people meet us at the plane. Soldiers with automatic rifles, Customs, and FBO persons. Everyone was very nice. We grabbed our bags and they loaded them on the golf cart. Customs looked at the plane and said it was okay. we went into the FBO and took care of the paperwork. Roberto was very nice and they had all the paperwork already filled out. I just needed to sign my name. My wife filled out her Immigration declaration, they put our bags through x-ray and then i went to the Commandancia and I closed my flight plan. and paid the fee, $70. We already had a van from the hotel waiting for us, thanks to Monica Gonzalez at the Omni hotel. We had a great time in Cancun, as we had been there many times before, and the friends we met had a great time as well. For the flight back, it was pretty easy. We had to cancel on the 18th due to bad weather in Beaumont. It cleared up later in the day, but too late for us to launch, so we watched the weather and flew out the next day. We had already gotten our XM Weather working, so off we went to the airport after checking weather at the hotel. Going through the FBO and Customs and Immigration was very easy again. They had all the paperwork filled out. I filed my flight plan and checked weather and then we went through the x-ray and out to the airplane. We loaded our bags up. I had called ahead to have them fuel the plane that morning. Did my preflight and checked fuel. Everything looked great. They already had our aircraft pulled upfront ahead of the three business jets and the King Air so loading was easy. Called for our clearance, and started up, got taxi instructions and taxied out. Did the runup and took off. This is where things went awry again, but this time it was my fault. Had been told to turn left and climb to 1500. I mistakenly turned right instead. The tower didn't catch it and neither did I for several seconds. I didn't want to cut across the runway so I called the tower, admitted my mistake and asked what to do. The tower wasn't very specific. They basically said go right or left. I continued right for several more seconds and then they called back and told me to turn left and fly a direct heading on course for Beaumont. Then they transferred me to Approach. Approach immediately asked me what i was doing, as i was now in the approach corridor. I said i was flying the vector i was given (319), and they told me to immediately turn north and fly heading 360 until 20 miles out, and expect higher then. I was now getting pretty nervous and very embarrassed. But there was no other traffic around, so it wasn't an immediate issue, but i definitely felt under a cloud for the start of the trip. Anyway, we got about 18 miles out and they said climb at our discretion. We climbed up to 8500 and set the plane for cruise. we had a good tailwind, about 20 knots. We were making good time and reporting at each reporting point. We hit US airspace at KEHLI and tried contacting Houston Center. I transmitted our position in the blind, and did so at every reporting point, until about 180 miles offshore, when we started getting a reply. Houston Center was again very nice and easy to work with. Scattered thunderstorms had grown up all around Beaumont during the flight over, but we were prepared, and had been watching them on XM. There was supposed to be a broken layer at 2800 and one at 5000 according to the current metar. We had scattered clouds below us that seemed to be getting thicker and some sizable buildups in front of us. We stayed at 8500 until probably about 60 miles out and then i radioed Houston and told them we were going to descend down to 2500 to get below the clouds and to get ready for Beaumont. We got down to about 4500 and i could tell the clouds were probably at about 1500-2000 so we leveled off at 4500 and told Houston. We actually should have stayed at 8500, because now we had to pick our way though the clouds much more than if we had stayed high. Center sent us over to Approach and they were super helpful and told us to maneuver and descend at our direction since no one was around us. I was worried, as we were flying in from Mexico and I didn't want them to think we were drug smugglers dropping our load! But i stayed in constant contact with them and told them everything we were doing, and that was all we could have done. I looked at our XM Weather and figured out the best way in, which was pretty clear. About that time, Approach called and suggested one of two routes, includign teh one we had already picked. I told them so and they said that looked the best to them as well. They said just let them know when we were through adn turning toward Beaumont. After about 15 minutes of maneuvering, i let them know and they followed us in and with the field in site, they switched us to Tower. Beaumont cleared us to land and were were down with no problems. My wife asked me why we didn't just fly through the clouds. I told her that she didn't like doing it anyway, and XM Weather was not really a way to pick your way through clouds if you couldn't see the thunderstorms, especially with so many in the area. But we were down safely with no problems and taxied back to KUSA's hangar to meet the CBP office, Barbar. 4:35 on the flight time. I had read that CBP was very strict, but Officer Barbar couldn't have been nicer. He asked to see our passports and looked inside the plane. He seemed super friendly and i asked about our luggage, he at first said no need, then decided on searching one bag. I asked which one, and he said since i had gotten both out, he would go ahead and look at both. He asked us if we were bringing back meat, plants, etc, and we said no. We already had the tshirt for our son and the seashells gathered on the beach ready for his inspection. He just waved and said no problem. He told us to come inside and fill out the general declaration form, which we did. Him and the FBO staff wanted to know about the crazy people flying across the Gulf, so we told them the whole story. They all thought it was great. About then, Officer Barbar's Supervisor showed up, Officer Salazar. I saw Barbar talking to him and describing what we had done and how it was our first time, and Salazar just stood there shaking his head. I saw that and told him to stop shaking that head. I walked over to introduce myself and both were again extremely nice. Salazar wanted to know the whole story about the trip as well. I mentioned we had canceled the day before and he said he knew all about it and that the office i spoke to had filled him in fully. He asked about the weather and i told him about picking our way through. He laughed and said he was surprised they didn't have a helicopter following me, as that would look pretty suspicious. I told him i was very cognizant of that and that's why I didn't go all the way down under the cloud deck. But he and Office Barbar were really great and got us right on our way. I think the total time to go though Customs was 15 minutes max. We then loaded up and taxied back out and were on our way. We had to pick our way though more small thunderstorms going back to Terrell, but 1:30 hours later, we had landed, having to brave once last thunderstorm right beside the field at Terrell. I just slowed us down and lingered the last 10 minutes, and by then it had moved away far enough for us to land. Trip over and successful. First overwater flight crossed off the bucket list. Russell Fletcher N5262F '88 Mooney M20J Quote
russellfletcher Posted June 22, 2012 Author Report Posted June 22, 2012 The tower wasn't very specific. They basically said go right or left. I continued right for several more seconds and then they called back and told me to turn left and fly a direct heading on course for Beaumont. Then they transferred me to Approach. Approach immediately asked me what i was doing, as i was now in the approach corridor. I said i was flying the vector i was given (319), and they told me to immediately turn north and fly heading 360 until 20 miles out, and expect higher then. I was now getting pretty nervous and very embarrassed. But there was no other traffic around, so it wasn't an immediate issue, but i definitely felt under a cloud for the start of the trip. Anyway, we got about 18 miles out and they said climb at our discretion. We climbed up to 8500 and set the plane for cruise. we had a good tailwind, about 20 knots. We were making good time and reporting at each reporting point. We hit US airspace at KEHLI and tried contacting Houston Center. I transmitted our position in the blind, and did so at every reporting point, until about 180 miles offshore, when we started getting a reply. Houston Center was again very nice and easy to work with. Scattered thunderstorms had grown up all around Beaumont during the flight over, but we were prepared, and had been watching them on XM. There was supposed to be a broken layer at 2800 and one at 5000 according to the current metar. We had scattered clouds below us that seemed to be getting thicker and some sizable buildups in front of us. We stayed at 8500 until probably about 60 miles out and then i radioed Houston and told them we were going to descend down to 2500 to get below the clouds and to get ready for Beaumont. We got down to about 4500 and i could tell the clouds were probably at about 1500-2000 so we leveled off at 4500 and told Houston. We actually should have stayed at 8500, because now we had to pick our way though the clouds much more than if we had stayed high. Center sent us over to Approach and they were super helpful and told us to maneuver and descend at our direction since no one was around us. I was worried, as we were flying in from Mexico and I didn't want them to think we were drug smugglers dropping our load! But i stayed in constant contact with them and told them everything we were doing, and that was all we could have done. I looked at our XM Weather and figured out the best way in, which was pretty clear. About that time, Approach called and suggested one of two routes, includign teh one we had already picked. I told them so and they said that looked the best to them as well. They said just let them know when we were through adn turning toward Beaumont. After about 15 minutes of maneuvering, i let them know and they followed us in and with the field in site, they switched us to Tower. Beaumont cleared us to land and were were down with no problems. My wife asked me why we didn't just fly through the clouds. I told her that she didn't like doing it anyway, and XM Weather was not really a way to pick your way through clouds if you couldn't see the thunderstorms, especially with so many in the area. But we were down safely with no problems and taxied back to KUSA's hangar to meet the CBP office, Barbar. I had read that CBP was very strict, but Officer Barbar couldn't have been nicer. He asked to see our passports and looked inside the plane. He seemed super friendly and i asked about our luggage, he at first said no need, then decided on searching one bag. I asked which one, and he said since i had gotten both out, he would go ahead and look at both. He asked us if we were bringing back meat, plants, etc, and we said no. We already had the tshirt for our son and the seashells gathered on the beach ready for his inspection. He just waved and said no problem. He told us to come inside and fill out the general declaration form, which we did. Him and the FBO staff wanted to know about the crazy people flying across the Gulf, so we told them the whole story. They all thought it was great. About then, Officer Barbar's Supervisor showed up, Officer Salazar. I saw Barbar talking to him and describing what we had done and how it was our first time, and Salazar just stood there shaking his head. I saw that and told him to stop shaking that head. I walked over to introduce myself and both were again extremely nice. Salazar wanted to know the whole story about the trip as well. I mentioned we had canceled the day before and he said he knew all about it and that the office i spoke to had filled him in fully. He asked about the weather and i told him about picking our way through. He laughed and said he was surprised they didn't have a helicopter following me, as that would look pretty suspicious. I told him i was very cognizant of that and that's why I didn't go all the way down under the cloud deck. But he and Office Barbar were really great and got us right on our way. I think the total time to go though Customs was 15 minutes max. We then loaded up and taxied back out and were on our way. We had to pick our way though more small thunderstorms going back to Terrell, but 1:30 hours later, we had landed, having to brave once last thunderstorm right beside the field at Terrell. I just slowed us down and lingered the last 10 minutes, and by then it had moved away far enough for us to land. Trip over and successful. First overwater flight crossed off the bucket list. Russell Fletcher N5262F '88 Mooney M20J Quote
TonyPynes Posted June 22, 2012 Report Posted June 22, 2012 I enjoyed reading your account of your trip and appreciate the details. Makes it conceivable for those of us who have not crossed water before. I chuckled when you said your wife trusted you so you set off. My wife is always saying the same thing. I always tell he I would never trust a new pilot....me....but she is always confident. Sounds like a great adventure. Quote
1964-M20E Posted June 22, 2012 Report Posted June 22, 2012 Congratulations on your adventure. Sounds like fun. Which model Mooney do you have? Heck, I wont fly direct form NEW to ORL since is would put me about 200miles offshore but it would only save me 18 miles of flight to be over the water. Quote
Becca Posted June 22, 2012 Report Posted June 22, 2012 Your wife is more trusting than I am. Byron bought a life raft with the intention of doing this same trip, but I put my foot down. Now way. MAYBE I could be convinced to go the 90 miles to the Bahamas, but I am not up for the 500 nmi over water to Mexico. Not for me. And yes, before the replies spring up, I realize this is irrational as I do fly over mountains and over forests, which be just as difficult to put down. Gotta draw the line somewhere. Quote
jetdriven Posted June 22, 2012 Report Posted June 22, 2012 I got me a raft and a brand new engine. Perhaps we organize more than one plane to go. Because going around the gulf is twice as far, and I didnt get a Mooney to go slow. Now, whos in.... Wife says NFW, but she will fly over a forest, which statistically has 3x the chance of killing you........ Quote
Becca Posted June 22, 2012 Report Posted June 22, 2012 Quote: jetdriven I got me a raft and a brand new engine. Perhaps we organize more than one plane to go. Because going around the gulf is twice as far, and I didnt get a Mooney to go slow. Now, whos in.... Wife says NFW, but she will fly over a forest, which statistically has 3x the chance of killing you........ Quote
John Pleisse Posted June 22, 2012 Report Posted June 22, 2012 I used to cut the corner from Wilmington, NC to Jax...28-38 miles off shore. This was not only a time saver, but if I ran late, all the airmass storms stayed over land. I don't do this anymore. I doubt I'd do it in a twin. Quote
fantom Posted June 22, 2012 Report Posted June 22, 2012 Back before 9/11, Naples ---> direct---> New Orleans. Best done with an undercast. Her: We're not over water, are we? Me: Just a bit, but we have an excellent glide ratio if something should happen. Not anymore, and she can read a GPS very well. Key West ---> direct---> Cancun...no way! Quote
Guest Posted June 22, 2012 Report Posted June 22, 2012 Russell, great write up sure sounded like fun. I'd like to do that trip someday,when I get more time. Quote
jetdriven Posted June 22, 2012 Report Posted June 22, 2012 C'mon Gary, you can stop by my place. We can go as a flight of two with a Bonanza friend of mine, who is not afraid neither. The airplane has 5,000 hours on it, and hasnt crashed yet. Quote
KSMooniac Posted June 22, 2012 Report Posted June 22, 2012 Great report, Russell! I'm glad you took the time to document the adventure here. My old Mooney mentors used to fly across the gulf from TX to FL all the time in their turbo Mooneys. I'm undecided, but think I could talk myself into it. It sure adds a new dimension of fun to the ownership and vacation experience. Quote
jetdriven Posted June 22, 2012 Report Posted June 22, 2012 Quote: Becca I'll be taking United to Cancun, meet ya there. As I said, I could be convinced to go to the Bahamas, or maybe even one of those Cayman caravans. But in both those cases you are pretty much on radar the whole time. As this post demonstrates you are in the great empty when crossing the gulf. No way. Quote
Becca Posted June 22, 2012 Report Posted June 22, 2012 Quote: jetdriven I'll be taking United to Cancun, meet ya there. As I said, I could be convinced to go to the Bahamas, or maybe even one of those Cayman caravans. But in both those cases you are pretty much on radar the whole time. As this post demonstrates you are in the great empty when crossing the gulf. No way. Quote
231flyer Posted June 23, 2012 Report Posted June 23, 2012 Nice report and congratulations on your Mexican adventure. I got married in Cancun(17 yrs ago) so have a soft spot for the place even though its sort of overrun with high school kids now. I think the FBOs at Cancun, Cozumel, and Cabo are great, friendly, and efficient. Sounds like security is stepped up now with gun toting soldiers etc....hopefully that means no one messes with your bird while you are enjoying margaritas at Senior Frogs! Btw I just flew KNEW to KCRP a couple of weeks ago. I filed KNEW-KUGLE-KCRP but once airborne with Houston center, they asked if I would like the short-cut and cleared me direct KCRP. According to my GPS I was way outside the ADIZ and saved a few miles. The controller was great and we discussed UT sports till she had to hand me over. I am always amazed by the number of oil rigs in the gulf and the huge armada of ships waiting to get into the Houston shipping channel (stopped counting at 53 ships). I had life vests on board but did not bring my life raft since I expected to stay within gliding distance of shore. No issues with center regarding HF radio and/or marine euipment. You have inspired me to fly back to Cancun after our Alaska trip next month. Cheers! Quote
fantom Posted June 23, 2012 Report Posted June 23, 2012 Quote: jetdriven C'mon Gary, you can stop by my place. We can go as a flight of two with a Bonanza friend of mine, who is not afraid neither. The airplane has 5,000 hours on it, and hasnt crashed yet. Quote
Joe Zuffoletto Posted June 23, 2012 Report Posted June 23, 2012 What an excellent write-up. Thank you! Quote
igorbly Posted June 23, 2012 Report Posted June 23, 2012 Quote: jerry-N5911Q Thanks for the details on your Gulf of Mexico adventure. I think your evaluation of risk and your decision to fly day VMC over the gulf was reasonable. I'd do so under similar circumstances. On the other hand, just last week I had a squabble with ATC regarding the FODDR1 arrival while southbound to Oceanside, CA. The arrival routes you out to Catalina island (Catalina is about 20 miles off the coast of southern CA) and then pretty much direct to Oceanside. However, the procedure calls for you to descend to 4000 about 15 miles offshore. I balked and insisted on not descending below 12,000 until we'd be within gliding distance of land at a lower altitude. There is no reason to increase risk needlessly. Quote
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