Ferry Tank

[drstephensugiono]

Anyone ever used a Ferry Tank to transport a Bravo or Acclaim over great distances?  Lookin for one even tho the plane has  105 gallon tank.

[Bolter]

13 minutes ago, drstephensugiono said:

Anyone ever used a Ferry Tank to transport a Bravo or Acclaim over great distances?  Lookin for one even tho the plane has  105 gallon tank.

How far do you plan to go, and starting from where?  There are several shops, often near the coast, that support ferry tank installation.   

This global flight started with a Turtle-Pac installed by Air Mods in NJ: https://www.pieternel.net/rtw/the-round-the-world-aircraft-n5810t/  - makes the reference on this page

Some others get tanks installed in KSMX Santa Maria, CA before launching over the Pacific.  Not sure the vendor there.  

Skyview Aviation at Tracy Municipal Airport installs ferry tanks, and may give advice, too.  

[drstephensugiono]

Plane in Asia and needs to come to SoCal. Wow you brought yours from Europe! Cool !


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[LANCECASPER]

18 hours ago, drstephensugiono said:

Anyone ever used a Ferry Tank to transport a Bravo or Acclaim over great distances?  Lookin for one even tho the plane has  105 gallon tank.

Your '89 M20M came with 89 gallons of fuel capacity. If it has the Monroy Long Range Tanks then it should have 118 gallons. 

Newer long body Mooneys circa 2000 and on had a different filler neck and what Mooney called "Extended Tanks" at 102 gallons. 

For Mooneys that were ferried over to Europe and other places Mooney would get a FSDO sign-off on a ferry tank in the back and a valve that would run up to the right tank. 

[drstephensugiono]

That is what I need! The ferry tank. This acclaim has the 102 gallon capacity


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[Aerodon]

22 hours ago, drstephensugiono said:

Anyone ever used a Ferry Tank to transport a Bravo or Acclaim over great distances?  Lookin for one even tho the plane has  105 gallon tank.

I have a 30,60 and 160G Turtlepac, take your pick and send me a PM.  I also have documentation that might help with the installation approval.

Aerodon

 

 

[drstephensugiono]

I have a 30,60 and 160G Turtlepac, take your pick and send me a PM.  I also have documentation that might help with the installation approval.
Aerodon
 
 

I would need the 60


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[A64Pilot]

Have two pumps, Ideally one is a mechanical wobble pump, but either way empty the ferry tank into the main as soon as there is room to do so, if that’s how your plumbing it, that way it’s nearly certain you have enough fuel to return if you need to.

Take a class on ferrying before you go and have a way to communicate, old way was a High Freq radio, newer way was a Sat phone, but heck maybe the newest is a Starlink mini now and that should give you weather too?

I used to Ferry down to Central and S America lots, but haven’t in years so anything I know is surely out of date now.

Oh, and of course a PLB to go with the life raft.

Maybe consider hiring a Ferry pilot and go along if you want?

I used to rent an Irridium Sat phone when I would ferry, no need to buy one.

[exM20K]

48 minutes ago, A64Pilot said:

Take a class on ferrying before you go and have a way to communicate, old way was a High Freq radio, newer way was a Sat phone, but heck maybe the newest is a Starlink mini now and that should give you weather too?

Or better yet, hire someone who knows what they’re doing. You may find going west to be less hassle and sufficiently short legs to do it without ferry tanks. Depending on where in Asia the plane is, westbound is maybe 30% longer.

I sent 3 DA42’s and a bunch of DA20’s to China 15 years ago.  The twins flew east from the USA with no ferry tanks, and the DA20’s went on a ship in a container.

-dan

 

[A64Pilot]

25 minutes ago, exM20K said:

Or better yet, hire someone who knows what they’re doing. You may find going west to be less hassle and sufficiently short legs to do it without ferry tanks. Depending on where in Asia the plane is, westbound is maybe 30% longer.

I sent 3 DA42’s and a bunch of DA20’s to China 15 years ago.  The twins flew east from the USA with no ferry tanks, and the DA20’s went on a ship in a container.

-dan

 

Excepting Central and S America I containerized (high cube) most of ours, Insurance was a LOT cheaper and I told the buyer I could give them an arrival date of the ship, ferrying not so much.

Mooney however would be orders of magnitude harder to containerize, so flying is I think the way.

It would be better to hire a Ferry pilot and go with them if you like, but verify they are an experienced ferry pilot, not all are. You don’t need a Mooney pilot, you can take off and land. Sometimes getting through the different countries can be a PIA, my advice is pay for ground handling, they take care of everything, customs, immigration, fuel etc and will take you to a place to stay etc. I usually didn’t even have to get out of the car they would take my passport and luggage and handle it.

The paperwork can sometimes be a pain if not filed in advance

[mooneyflyfast]

You might want to read Carol Ann Garratt’s book “upon Silver Wings”.  She has flown her M20J around the world……twice.  She might even be willing to give you some advice about your trip.  I’ve met her and she is very pleasant to talk to.

[Schllc]

Here is the service instruction required for the ferry tank. 

Over gross numbers acclaim SIM20-133.pdf

[A64Pilot]

Interesting, recommendation of a G meter, but no over G inspections just undefined hard landing inspections. 

Probably does however make the Ferry tank permit easier if complied with, but no J or other smaller aircraft.

The forward CG limit comes back but rear remains the same, indication the nose gear is the weak link which is normal for most aircraft, or maybe elevator effectiveness?

[Schllc]

I’ve never done the ferry setup, but I have flown an ovation with a ferry tank and it was close to 500# over gross on take off and it was not a factor. I did not land it over gross though, but that wouldn’t concern me either. 
our mooneys are easier to land heavy, than they are light. 
may take a little more room but climb and cruise speed were relatively unaffected. 

[drstephensugiono]

I’ve never done the ferry setup, but I have flown an ovation with a ferry tank and it was close to 500# over gross on take off and it was not a factor. I did not land it over gross though, but that wouldn’t concern me either. 
our mooneys are easier to land heavy, than they are light. 
may take a little more room but climb and cruise speed were relatively unaffected. 

How big ferry tank did the Ovation have?


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[McMooney]

having 105 gallons, why not fly asia->europe->usa,   no ferry tanks needed.  

hmm, maps, says that would probably be a few 1000 miles longer.   honestly, have fun, i'd really love to do a trip like that

Edited January 19 by McMooney