‘65 E for sale FL Keys

[Eight8Victor]

Looks like it has potential.
 

 

https://cfl.craigslist.org/avo/d/key-colony-beach-65-mooney-m20e/7423670282.html

[hammdo]

Flat front tire -- been sitting a while - and in south Florida too...

Needs a lot of pre-purchase checking/annual...

-Don

[Culver LFA]

I remember that picture from around here. This one popped up here a year or so ago didn't it? 

Is this the airplane on the ramp down in the Keys somewhere, I think I remember Alan saying something about corrosion, there was some back and forth about how much it was worth...

[Utah20Gflyer]

A plane out of annual with a flat front tire in Southern Florida that hasn't been flying?  Seems like a high risk proposition.   Not something that would interest me but to each their own.  

[TheAv8r]

Yeah, it popped up on Facebook about 5 months ago. I reached out to the Seller to get some details, crusty gentleman, wouldn't answer any of my questions. It's barely flown in 5+ years, hasn't been in annual in forever, sitting outside in Florida with no preventative measures taken, it's likely a rusted bird for the scrap heap now. 

[Prior owner]

Not sure that’s actually  a 201 windshield…. I think it is just a one piece windshield and an ARI cowling mod.

It’s upsetting that some sellers aren’t interested in full disclosure. Not answering questions would be a deal killer for me, no matter what the asking price. 
 

The flat tire says it all- “the next guy can deal with it”. 

[RoundTwo]

15 hours ago, hammdo said:

Flat front tire -- been sitting a while - and in south Florida too...

Needs a lot of pre-purchase checking/annual...

-Don

None of those tires look very bouncy.

R2

[Hank]

18 hours ago, Eight8Victor said:

Looks like it has potential.
https://cfl.craigslist.org/avo/d/key-colony-beach-65-mooney-m20e/7423670282.html

I think it's realistically priced--$30.

[M20F]

4 minutes ago, Hank said:

I think it's realistically priced--$30.

Hank has the right line here.  It isn’t about the other stuff it is about what is the price.  Listed for $30K and bought for $20K could be a nice deal.  

[RoundTwo]

8 minutes ago, M20F said:

Hank has the right line here.  It isn’t about the other stuff it is about what is the price.  Listed for $30K and bought for $20K could be a nice deal.  

Looks like it’s been sitting in the Keys since at least 1999. I’ve had one corroded plane from Florida and that’s enough for me.

R2

[MikeOH]

15 minutes ago, M20F said:

Hank has the right line here.  It isn’t about the other stuff it is about what is the price.  Listed for $30K and bought for $20K could be a nice deal.  

Hmm, buy it for $20K, put $60K into it...I'll pass, thanks.

[chriscalandro]

41 minutes ago, MikeOH said:

Hmm, buy it for $20K, put $60K into it...I'll pass, thanks.

You’ve never even seen it. What EXACTLY are you going to spend 60k on? (Also I’m based next to you now)
 

Again, everyone here has based their comments on nothing. 
 

im planning on taking some time to go look at it. 

Edited December 23, 2021 by chriscalandro

[Prior owner]

Buy it for 20k and part it out. 

[MikeOH]

32 minutes ago, chriscalandro said:

You’ve never even seen it. What EXACTLY are you going to spend 60k on? (Also I’m based next to you now)
 

Again, everyone here has based their comments on nothing. 
 

im planning on taking some time to go look at it. 

I took both jacenbourne's and R2's (sitting in the Keys since 1999) posts as quite a bit more than NOTHING on which to base my comment!  Or, do you have some evidence that their statements are not true?  While I've never been to the moon, I don't have to go there to know there is no atmosphere!

EXACTLY how much do you think it would cost to repair extensive corrosion (say, the wing spar, for example)?  There is another thread going where someone with both skill and a HUGE amount of time on his hands is replacing a stub spar, and has now found the top spar also needs replacing.  I can see hundreds of hours, at least, involved.

Hey, if you are in southern Florida, sure spend a Saturday going down to take a look. But, If you are based in southern California and are going to travel all the way to the Florida Keys to look at this plane...what's that going to cost you just to find out if $30K is the deal of the century?  I'm just not seeing the upside.

[chriscalandro]

8 minutes ago, MikeOH said:

I took both jacenbourne's and R2's (sitting in the Keys since 1999) posts as quite a bit more than NOTHING on which to base my comment!  Or, do you have some evidence that their statements are not true?  While I've never been to the moon, I don't have to go there to know there is no atmosphere!

EXACTLY how much do you think it would cost to repair extensive corrosion (say, the wing spar, for example)?  There is another thread going where someone with both skill and a HUGE amount of time on his hands is replacing a stub spar, and has now found the top spar also needs replacing.  I can see hundreds of hours, at least, involved.

Hey, if you are in southern Florida, sure spend a Saturday going down to take a look. But, If you are based in southern California and are going to travel all the way to the Florida Keys to look at this plane...what's that going to cost you just to find out if $30K is the deal of the century?  I'm just not seeing the upside.

I go back and forth between kpoc and Miami where I was based at X51. 
 

I need to go there in a few weeks, so it’s not a big deal. 

[MikeOH]

Question for the A&Ps familiar with Mooneys: How much can you check for corrosion WITHOUT having to disassemble anything?  IOW, will a cursory look reveal a serious corrosion problem, or do panels/rear seats need to be pulled to know for sure?

[Hank]

1 hour ago, M20F said:

Hank has the right line here.  It isn’t about the other stuff it is about what is the price.  Listed for $30K and bought for $20K could be a nice deal.  

No, you misunderstood. The Craigslist ad (really?) said $30, there's no "K" shown.  

Five or more years out of annual, on the ramp?? Seems fair.

[RoundTwo]

49 minutes ago, Hank said:

No, you misunderstood. The Craigslist ad (really?) said $30, there's no "K" shown.  

Five or more years out of annual, on the ramp?? Seems fair.

That motor will be fine!!! Just a couple squirts of MMO in each cylinder to free up the rings and it will be good as new. 

R2

[Prior owner]

IMHO a cursory look will be almost meaningless, if you are looking for a plane to restore and fly- this aircraft has spent time outdoors in a highly corrosive environment, and might have been neglected to some extent. Somebody is going to need to go through the plane with a fine toothed comb to inspect for corrosion everywhere, prior to it having any real value over salvage parts. The steel tubes are only one small area of concern….

If you want to consider buying the plane, read up…here’s 127 pages on corrosion:

AC 43-4B

Sometimes the corrosion is obvious, other times it is insidious, working its way along the inside seam of a spar- the only way to know is to take the time to look at everything and to know what you are looking for.

 

 

[A64Pilot]

16 hours ago, MikeOH said:

Question for the A&Ps familiar with Mooneys: How much can you check for corrosion WITHOUT having to disassemble anything?  IOW, will a cursory look reveal a serious corrosion problem, or do panels/rear seats need to be pulled to know for sure?

Usually you can get a very good idea just from a walk around.

Having said that, it’s difficult but possible to hide severe corrosion, but that almost always means spending a lot of time and money replacing exterior corrosion, so a good look is necessary before money is spent, but a good walk around can usually cull a lot of ones not worth looking deep.

I learned pretty quickly to not even bother going to see Fl airplanes that were tied down outside, it just ages an airplane fast, and when your looking at 40ish yr old airplanes to begin with, accelerated aging can hurt.

 

it’s my opinion as an A&P/IA that buying an airplane to fix up is a losing proposition, buy what you want as a finished product, it will end up costing less and save a lot of heart ache

Edited December 24, 2021 by A64Pilot

[ArtVandelay]

You can pull the battery panel, check the tail for rust and nests from rodents or birds. Check the wheel wells. Pull the carpets back a little and check for rust.

[carusoam]

Ad says…. 65M20E…

registration says 180hp…

Pic has an M20J cowling and matching spinner…(?)

 

Now… who was looking for the IO360 and STC to go with his new noseless plane?

 

-a-

[AerostarDriver]

9 minutes ago, carusoam said:

Ad says…. 65M20E…

registration says 180hp…

Pic has an M20J cowling and matching spinner…(?)

 

Now… who was looking for the IO360 and STC to go with his new noseless plane?

 

-a-

In fairness, my E has a 180hp engine per the FAA. A number of E models don't seem to match up with what the dataplate says.

[MBDiagMan]

In the hot saltwater air for an extended period of time?   I wouldn’t touch it with a ten foot pole.

 

 

[MBDiagMan]

On 12/23/2021 at 4:55 PM, chriscalandro said:

You’ve never even seen it. What EXACTLY are you going to spend 60k on? (Also I’m based next to you now)
 

Again, everyone here has based their comments on nothing. 
 

im planning on taking some time to go look at it. 

What will you spend $60k on?  Well, it’s almost guaranteed that the engine will have to be split.  If not immediately, very soon after it’s run.  That will be half or more of that $60K.  I have been down the road of buying an IO360 that has sat for an extended period of time and that was in a dryer climate.

there is almost certainly corrosion in many forms that will cost an untold number of AMU’s.  
 

Don’t walk away!  Run!