Electric A/C

[Kelly Aerospace]

The new all electric A/C is completely certified.  The evaporator fits in HALF of the Hat Rack.  Now we match the leather color on your interior.   We have also made the "Ground or Pre Cooling" easier.

 

Walter Dodge 

Kelly Aerospace Thermal Systems  

[Schllc]

ok, here is the question we are all thinking!!

 

• How much!?

[Ragsf15e]

Pictures too??

[201Steve]

How very.... lacking in detail. 

[ziggysanchez]

 

[larrynimmo]

Are you coming out with an electric dual mag?

[Ross Statham]

Since Kelly Thermal wasn’t forthcoming with details, I found their site:

https://www.kellythermal.com/mooney

NO mention of price.  They do note the following models: 

Mooney M20-R, -S, -TN, -U, -V - THERMACOOL

Not gonna work in my J.  Oh well.

Ross

[aviatoreb]

2 minutes ago, Ross Statham said:

Since Kelly Thermal wasn’t forthcoming with details, I found their site:

https://www.kellythermal.com/mooney

NO mention of price.  They do note the following models: 

Mooney M20-R, -S, -TN, -U, -V - THERMACOOL

Not gonna work in my J.  Oh well.

Ross

Not on my k either.

Phew!  That saves me a lot of money.

[carusoam]

Gents,

Try to be nice to Walter...

He is a supporter of Mooney Summit...

When you need a respite from the florida heat, his AC in a long body (display) is awesome...

All the details have been laid out prior...

https://mooneyspace.com/profile/18904-kelly-aerospace/

 

Walter had posted this last fall...

“The All Electric AC system for the Ovation is 28,500.00 complete, installed.  it takes 10 days in one of our facilities'.”

 

1) It is expensive

2) Requires sheet metal modifications

3) Is perfect for hot ground temps like in the south...

 

Best regards,

-a-

Edited January 19, 2021 by carusoam

[AerostarDriver]

I would kill for this in my E but it would make no since budget wise. A co-pilot side window is far more wallet friendly.

[Jim Peace]

Air condition in cars is a fraction of the price........I know there are differences but 30k for cool air?  really?

[aviatoreb]

7 minutes ago, Jim Peace said:

Air condition in cars is a fraction of the price........I know there are differences but 30k for cool air?  really?

I know there has been discussion of such things on here before but - 

What would it take for a CB to build their own, real air conditioner that is also portable and so legal to put in and remove.

There are air conditioner compressors out there.  https://www.ebay.com/itm/ProAIR-12V-DC-Air-Conditioner-A-C-Compressor-7300-BTU-hr-Benling-DM18A7-AC/202916972654?hash=item2f3ecb486e:g:OvgAAOSwp3FdMy1g

could something portable be made with some large batteries - a pair of these claim 44amp hours each https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/optima-red-top-battery-group-size-35-720-cca-35/16940003-p?product_channel=local&store=6592&adtype=pla&product_channel=local&store_code=6592&gclid=CjwKCAiAo5qABhBdEiwAOtGmbs4qgHq8ETU4oQvJXs47MWNSxqs0m6r_wrsruZvS-Kg63MTiKNNO0BoCd6UQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

I haven't thought through anything really but seems like the physics works and the budget works.  Some kind of boxes to put it in and out of the luggage compartment.  Some kind of venting of the heat would be needed.

The point is in airplane application often you only need 20 minutes of air conditioning for ground ops and initial climb out and then 10 minutes near the end.  So could a big battery system do the trick - and charge the batteries later on the ground?  Remove the whole kit and caboodle for winter ops.

[RobertGary1]

4 minutes ago, aviatoreb said:

I know there has been discussion of such things on here before but - 

What would it take for a CB to build their own, real air conditioner that is also portable and so legal to put in and remove.

There are air conditioner compressors out there.  https://www.ebay.com/itm/ProAIR-12V-DC-Air-Conditioner-A-C-Compressor-7300-BTU-hr-Benling-DM18A7-AC/202916972654?hash=item2f3ecb486e:g:OvgAAOSwp3FdMy1g

could something portable be made with some large batteries - a pair of these claim 44amp hours each https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/optima-red-top-battery-group-size-35-720-cca-35/16940003-p?product_channel=local&store=6592&adtype=pla&product_channel=local&store_code=6592&gclid=CjwKCAiAo5qABhBdEiwAOtGmbs4qgHq8ETU4oQvJXs47MWNSxqs0m6r_wrsruZvS-Kg63MTiKNNO0BoCd6UQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

I haven't thought through anything really but seems like the physics works and the budget works.  Some kind of boxes to put it in and out of the luggage compartment.  Some kind of venting of the heat would be needed.

The point is in airplane application often you only need 20 minutes of air conditioning for ground ops and initial climb out and then 10 minutes near the end.  So could a big battery system do the trick - and charge the batteries later on the ground?  Remove the whole kit and caboodle for winter ops.

The simple system you proposed is essentially what we small business jets have. Just a basic electric 134a compressor in the nose. Biggest issue jn the Mooney would be where to put the condenser to get airflow. 

[Kelly Aerospace]

The system is installed for 28,500.00 .  take 10 days or less in one of our facilities.  Alabama, Ohio or Kansas

 

wd

[mike_elliott]

The Kelly Aerospace system installed in a few of the new Ultras I have been in works great. The factory ac for I believe more $ isnt nearly as good based on my Florida Boy sweat reactor gauge. Notice the intake is out the side of the plane behind the radio rack (on the "2"), instead of a scoop on the underside causing drag.

[Kelly Aerospace]

Our system requires 28 volts so some of the older Mooney's are no an option yet.  the ground cooling and no flight restrictions are great!   the sheet metal modifications mentioned here are taken care of during the installation as well as the monor paint work.  being a Mooney man myself, i made sure the Hat Rack is still available !

 

wd

[GeeBee]

If we can eek out a gross weight increase, I'm in! With FIKI I can't give up 65 pounds but a GW increase would make me an instant buyer.

 

[carusoam]

14 hours ago, mike_elliott said:

The Kelly Aerospace system installed in a few of the new Ultras I have been in works great. The factory ac for I believe more $ isnt nearly as good based on my Florida Boy sweat reactor gauge. Notice the intake is out the side of the plane behind the radio rack (on the "2"), instead of a scoop on the underside causing drag.

Looks like something didn’t work... was that a video or a pic?
 

If video, drop into YouTube, share link here....

-a-

Edited January 20, 2021 by carusoam

[LANCECASPER]

@mike_elliott If you have pictures of what exhaust vents were cut in the aft part of the fuselage please post them. Thanks!!

[mike_elliott]

Sorry about that... here is the pic. The Vent is on the "2"

[carusoam]

That plane is a beauty!

-a-